Mclaren MP4-29H

[AxialTurbine]

Honda are in this for 5-10 years good result for them next year is maybe a race win and 3rd in constructors. Then compete for constructors and wdc in years 2,3,4. This depends on McLaren building a good car next year but don't hold your breathe based on recent form. Personally I think red bull will be closest to merc next year with Ferrari , McLaren and williams squabbling over 3rd.

[PlatinumZealot]

Autosport plus article:

Boullier's optimism is also partly rooted in the restructuring of McLaren's technical team that he has undertaken since arriving in Woking. The team developed the MP4-29 pretty well across the season, and Boullier believes the combination of an enhanced McLaren technical structure and Honda will surprise the sceptics.

"Don't underestimate the McLaren power as well," Boullier says. "It may not have delivered performance on track the last two years, but the power is still there. With what we have done, McLaren is back.

"This is why a lot of people – and some we cannot name here – have been seriously convinced about what we are doing. Even if there is some pain going through, they know this is the right place to be for the future."

This future didn't have the brightest start in Abu Dhabi this week, but if McLaren and Honda are worried, they are doing a very good job of looking relaxed about it.

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He speaks of Alonso here.

Ok. The Fault was on the Mclaren side. If you look on the Mechanics at the Abu test, they are the same from the race and the same from the Silverstone test. Those guys are tired physically and mentally after a year of racing. Not to mention the guys back at the factory are not as versed as putting a car together under pressure. It is normal to expect that someone screwed up along the way and connect the big red wire to the big blue wire. The whole electrical system was working fine in Silverstone when they had more time to put it together. that's my take on it anyway.

[Trocola]

He speaks of Alonso here.

Ok. The Fault was on the Mclaren side. If you look on the Mechanics at the Abu test, they are the same from the race and the same from the Silverstone test. Those guys are tired physically and mentally after a year of racing. Not to mention the guys back at the factory are not as versed as putting a car together under pressure. It is normal to expect that someone screwed up along the way and connect the big red wire to the big blue wire. The whole electrical system was working fine in Silverstone when they had more time to put it together. that's my take on it anyway.

My question is: why did they start mounting que mp429h on monday? They could start working on it inside a truck on saturday or friday and have the car built for tuesday.

[PlatinumZealot]

Well that is my assumptuon (that the chassis was built after race-day due to limited man-power over the weekend). It would be good if someone closer to the paddock could confirm.

[ParkerArt]

He speaks of Alonso here.

Ok. The Fault was on the Mclaren side. If you look on the Mechanics at the Abu test, they are the same from the race and the same from the Silverstone test. Those guys are tired physically and mentally after a year of racing. Not to mention the guys back at the factory are not as versed as putting a car together under pressure. It is normal to expect that someone screwed up along the way and connect the big red wire to the big blue wire. The whole electrical system was working fine in Silverstone when they had more time to put it together. that's my take on it anyway.

My question is: why did they start mounting que mp429h on monday? They could start working on it inside a truck on saturday or friday and have the car built for tuesday.

Maybe the rules about only have 2 chassis's with powertrains installed? Not sure but when did the F1 hardware get flown to the UAE? Is it possible it wasn't the same engine and chassis from the Silverstone Test/Filming day?

[Trocola]

Maybe the rules about only have 2 chassis's with powertrains installed? Not sure but when did the F1 hardware get flown to the UAE? Is it possible it wasn't the same engine and chassis from the Silverstone Test/Filming day?

That's why I said on a truck or wherever they want outside the track facilities.

The chasis I think must be the same. I won't be normal to modify two chasis only for two tests

[geogate]

people always blame harnesses when it comes to electrical faults. More often than not it is actually hardware issues.
Speaking purely hypothetically (cough) - sometimes when you swap out what you would think was a fairly innocuous electronic unit, it fixes the fault. Part of the design of an electrical system is to make it robust so as these kinds of issues don't stop the car running - but it is just one of those things where you never really know until to get a fault.

The test was disappointing, but not surprising. If they get to Jerez with a reliably running car I will tip my hat to the guys developing the ES and control unit - it is a huge task

[flmkane]

So much hate here. Wow.

Anyone else remember how Mercedes started the year with a front wing failure? Literally broke off of Hamilton's car.

Not to mention a few brake issues.

Or, how about the Renault debacle. Red Bull still won 3 races despite their engine not working till Australia.

[ParkerArt]

So much hate here. Wow.

Anyone else remember how Mercedes started the year with a front wing failure? Literally broke off of Hamilton's car.

Not to mention a few brake issues.

Or, how about the Renault debacle. Red Bull still won 3 races despite their engine not working till Australia.

It'd be more correct to say that Mercedes lost 3 races. Other that that, Mercedes were always, from the first day of Jerez and on, looking to be in good shape. After the first Bahrain test, they were the title favourites with Williams a reliable second.

[flmkane]

So much hate here. Wow.

Anyone else remember how Mercedes started the year with a front wing failure? Literally broke off of Hamilton's car.

Not to mention a few brake issues.

Or, how about the Renault debacle. Red Bull still won 3 races despite their engine not working till Australia.

It'd be more correct to say that Mercedes lost 3 races. Other that that, Mercedes were always, from the first day of Jerez and on, looking to be in good shape. After the first Bahrain test, they were the title favourites with Williams a reliable second.

Exactly how is that a response to my previous post?

What I meant was that engine and mechanical problems had hit Red Bull in the first race, yet they did just fine.

Mercedes also had issues, such as bad brakes and front wing mounts.

They found problems and fixed them.

HENCE it called TESTING.

[marcush.]

I simply don't get it, they are multi million euro operations and they can't bolt then engine and systems to a frame and drive
it around the car park or put the F1 car on a dyno until they have all the gremlins sorted out before they show up to a test
and embarrass themselves?

afaict there is no rules against running the car on a dyno with out wings, so whats the excuse for messing around with
wiring problems in public at a test with limit time?

more intriguing is the reality that those 500+ engineers and specialists came up with a solution that was not even worthy of a systems check in the field...

In my book Mclaren should have started their -29 design with Honda already in mind and specialists near the table -to ease the installation into the so called test hack -I would not be surprised if this was exactly what they were doing .

sometimes things go wrong this year teams definitely had ore trouble and had to rely more on pure luck with electrical systems ...so maybe this is just one of those hard to control things .

In an early stage of development -not much in terms of fault diagnostics is available ...or easily accessible in a pit lane environment ..so you see just effects of a malfunction but not much in terms of help to pinpoint possible areas of trouble.
As the bastard ran in Silverstone already one can safely assume it was nothing really obvious but I would think it had to do something with the interfaces mechanical electrical...

In an early project phase the actual build ability is one of the major concerns as not all parts progress at the same speed towards final spec. parts and systems maturity differnces is possibly the Issue if you are pressing ahead with maximum effort.

[Blackout]

It would be useful to know when this interview with Yasuhisa Arai has been recoded https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=auMPh18o8ag He talks about the key dates of the new engine project... (description says 6.2014 but it's not accurate IMO)

[geogate]

this was the first time aside from silverstone where the engine was run with the complete ES pack.That includes a brand new control unit.
You want to know why? Cos they have designed the thing from scatch and it is only just at the stage where you could place it in a chassis.
Of course the engine has run with the chassis on a dyno - but on a dyno you can run it with a power supply.

[lio007]

It would be useful to know when this interview with Yasuhisa Arai has been recoded https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=auMPh18o8ag He talks about the key dates of the new engine project... (description says 6.2014 but it's not accurate IMO)

I think early 2014 (he mentions spring at 02:40)

[ArgyrisB]

Flow vis of the front wing i think. Awesome! via Darren Heath