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From AMUS (google translate)

Force India can not go Perez
In Williams, many drivers are traded for the two cockpits. Besides Jenson Button, Valtteri Bottas and Lance Stroll now Sergio Perez. The Mexican has 15 million dollars from its sponsors in the back. But Perez would be free to buy at Force India. Vijay Mallya insists on his contract.

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On the basis of speculation, it seems Massa is 'definitely' out. What of Bottas? I doubt Williams would drop him, but has he been renewed yet?

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LookBackTime wrote:From AMUS (google translate)

Force India can not go Perez
In Williams, many drivers are traded for the two cockpits. Besides Jenson Button, Valtteri Bottas and Lance Stroll now Sergio Perez. The Mexican has 15 million dollars from its sponsors in the back. But Perez would be free to buy at Force India. Vijay Mallya insists on his contract.

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Ugh, that Google Translation.... :oops:

The article quotes

Force India lässt Perez nicht gehen

Bei Williams werden viele Fahrer für die beiden Cockpits gehandelt. Neben Jenson Button, Valtteri Bottas und Lance Stroll jetzt auch Sergio Perez. Der Mexikaner hat 15 Millionen Dollar von seinen Sponsoren im Rücken. Doch Perez müsste sich bei Force India freikaufen. Vijay Mallya pocht auf seinen Vertrag.


which would be correctly translated into...

Force India will not let Perez go. Lots of drivers are being connected to both Williams drives, among them Jenson Button, Valttteri Bottas, Lance Stroll and now Sergio Perez. The Mexican has a sponsorship backing of 15 million dollars. Perez would have to buy himself out if he were to leave ForceIndia, as Vijay Mallya is set to insist on the contract being fulfilled by Perez.

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Phil wrote: Force India will not let Perez go. Lots of drivers are being connected to both Williams drives, among them Jenson Button, Valttteri Bottas, Lance Stroll and now Sergio Perez. The Mexican has a sponsorship backing of 15 million dollars. Perez would have to buy himself out if he were to leave ForceIndia, as Vijay Mallya is set to insist on the contract being fulfilled by Perez.

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Just don't think Perez would leave FI for Williams, unless there's a reason to. For example if James Allison joins Williams, which could happen, but other than that, FI have been solid every season since he's been at FI. FI have been solid considering how strong they are financially. What can't be denied is that what team Allison is going to join, they will make big steps forward. Drivers who potentially looking for a seat elsewhere, are now holding their fingers above the button awaiting what Allison might be doing. That's what I am thinking.

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WaikeCU wrote:
Phil wrote: Force India will not let Perez go. Lots of drivers are being connected to both Williams drives, among them Jenson Button, Valttteri Bottas, Lance Stroll and now Sergio Perez. The Mexican has a sponsorship backing of 15 million dollars. Perez would have to buy himself out if he were to leave ForceIndia, as Vijay Mallya is set to insist on the contract being fulfilled by Perez.

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Just don't think Perez would leave FI for Williams, unless there's a reason to. For example if James Allison joins Williams, which could happen, but other than that, FI have been solid every season since he's been at FI. FI have been solid considering how strong they are financially. What can't be denied is that what team Allison is going to join, they will make big steps forward. Drivers who potentially looking for a seat elsewhere, are now holding their fingers above the button awaiting what Allison might be doing. That's what I am thinking.
Can Ron Dennis rope in Allison for next year? will it help ?

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The question for Williams must be: is Button faster than Massa? I think so. But is it enough to justify dumping Felipe and getting someone older?
Next the question is: Where does Allison go? None of the top three nor Mclaren, so that leaves (realistically) Williams or Renault. Renault seems set on recreating the past (as evidenced with Bob Bell), but Williams would be interesting. This is a team whose development path has stalled and struggles with tyres. Williams would have a keen eye on those lotus cars with unbelievable tyre wear, plus the added bonus of more British-ness.
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continuum16 wrote:The question for Williams must be: is Button faster than Massa? I think so. But is it enough to justify dumping Felipe and getting someone older?
Next the question is: Where does Allison go? None of the top three nor Mclaren, so that leaves (realistically) Williams or Renault. Renault seems set on recreating the past (as evidenced with Bob Bell), but Williams would be interesting. This is a team whose development path has stalled and struggles with tyres. Williams would have a keen eye on those lotus cars with unbelievable tyre wear, plus the added bonus of more British-ness.
I think the obvious answer is Renault. He knows the team, he knows the Factory(which is going to be improved a lot) and he could work in England. It would be the boost that drivers like Perez and Saiz need to sign with the team.

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Given FI's issues, is there still life to the rumors of a takeover? Aston Martin? Mercedes B team?

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kptaylor wrote:Given FI's issues, is there still life to the rumors of a takeover? Aston Martin? Mercedes B team?
I think Aston Martin is out of the picture, since they partnered with the bulls

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Since Sauber has been bought by Longbow (whatever firm that may be, im not surprised to later find out it was a sham but, lets sit it out),
and by the looks of it Toro Rosso isnt' going anywhere else than be still RB's sister team the next couple of years,
i could only guess that if the Alfa Romeo thing is still a 'thing', then Force India would be the last possibility, so perhaps such may happen.

Personally i dont expect a change in Force India next year. Perez is doing fine where he is, only Hulkenberg might get elsewhere (mainly out of F1),
but that would be rather a Hulk's own move as i think the stability at FI is doing them good with all the 'news' surrounding vijay etc.
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continuum16 wrote:The question for Williams must be: is Button faster than Massa? I think so. But is it enough to justify dumping Felipe and getting someone older?
Next the question is: Where does Allison go? None of the top three nor Mclaren, so that leaves (realistically) Williams or Renault. Renault seems set on recreating the past (as evidenced with Bob Bell), but Williams would be interesting. This is a team whose development path has stalled and struggles with tyres. Williams would have a keen eye on those lotus cars with unbelievable tyre wear, plus the added bonus of more British-ness.
- He's not, when did Button become this superquick driver? Both are slipping because of age but it was Masa that had more one lap highlights in recent years , pole in Austria, closest to Merc in Brazil and overall more pressure. Button is no more than solid point scorer, mistake prone when pushed or pushing(2 x Maldo).
- let's be real they wouldn't be hiring him for sporting reason, replacing one ~36 year old for another, the one that is often fussy with the car, for what a year? These are marketing and nationality reasons. IMO at this stage it's easier to keep a driver than hire a new one - adjustments take more time. Williams' driver management looks weirder and weirder.

Those Lotus car were in the different tyres/aero/engine era. Williams hired some people from Lotus too, didn't help them? Bringing Allison won't magically cure their tyre management. Others can pay him more and offer more resources.

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iotar__ wrote:
continuum16 wrote:The question for Williams must be: is Button faster than Massa? I think so. But is it enough to justify dumping Felipe and getting someone older?
Next the question is: Where does Allison go? None of the top three nor Mclaren, so that leaves (realistically) Williams or Renault. Renault seems set on recreating the past (as evidenced with Bob Bell), but Williams would be interesting. This is a team whose development path has stalled and struggles with tyres. Williams would have a keen eye on those lotus cars with unbelievable tyre wear, plus the added bonus of more British-ness.
- He's not, when did Button become this superquick driver? Both are slipping because of age but it was Masa that had more one lap highlights in recent years , pole in Austria, closest to Merc in Brazil and overall more pressure. Button is no more than solid point scorer, mistake prone when pushed or pushing(2 x Maldo).
- let's be real they wouldn't be hiring him for sporting reason, replacing one ~36 year old for another, the one that is often fussy with the car, for what a year? These are marketing and nationality reasons. IMO at this stage it's easier to keep a driver than hire a new one - adjustments take more time. Williams' driver management looks weirder and weirder.

Those Lotus car were in the different tyres/aero/engine era. Williams hired some people from Lotus too, didn't help them? Bringing Allison won't magically cure their tyre management. Others can pay him more and offer more resources.

I think we all agree that Bottas is better than Massa. More points and advantadge on saturdays. But you do have a point: I don't recall Bottas being so close to victory as Massa was in Silverstone last year, or Abu Dhabi 2014 and, of course, the pole in Austria, which was the greatest moment of the team since Maldo's victory.

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iotar__ wrote:
continuum16 wrote:The question for Williams must be: is Button faster than Massa? I think so. But is it enough to justify dumping Felipe and getting someone older?
Next the question is: Where does Allison go? None of the top three nor Mclaren, so that leaves (realistically) Williams or Renault. Renault seems set on recreating the past (as evidenced with Bob Bell), but Williams would be interesting. This is a team whose development path has stalled and struggles with tyres. Williams would have a keen eye on those lotus cars with unbelievable tyre wear, plus the added bonus of more British-ness.
- He's not, when did Button become this superquick driver? Both are slipping because of age but it was Masa that had more one lap highlights in recent years , pole in Austria, closest to Merc in Brazil and overall more pressure. Button is no more than solid point scorer, mistake prone when pushed or pushing(2 x Maldo).
- let's be real they wouldn't be hiring him for sporting reason, replacing one ~36 year old for another, the one that is often fussy with the car, for what a year? These are marketing and nationality reasons. IMO at this stage it's easier to keep a driver than hire a new one - adjustments take more time. Williams' driver management looks weirder and weirder.

Those Lotus car were in the different tyres/aero/engine era. Williams hired some people from Lotus too, didn't help them? Bringing Allison won't magically cure their tyre management. Others can pay him more and offer more resources.
Hardly a fair comparison given the dogs that Mclaren have given Button the last few years. He's comparing well against Alonso, who is a good yardstick and would be much better in terms of PR than Massa...remember that Williams have to keep their shareholders happy...hiring a well respected WDC who is good at PR would go a long way on that front. Would his results be that different than Massa's, probably not...but then the other stuff comes into play.
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As mentioned above, Button has done very well against Alonso, as he did against Lewis. I think he would blow Felipe out of the water! Massa has never been the same since that day in 08, Never won since either. Felipe was nothing against Alonso, Jenson so far has been good competition.
Hiring Jenson over Massa would be a great move for Williams.
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