I can't disagree with this sentiment...the less spectacular the cars/engines/races are, the fewer people will want to watch, the less money there is in the series. I don't want to call F1 a spectator sport, but...mzivtins wrote:I'd like to see an engine formula designed for the spectacle of formula 1.
I was under the impression they already did to a certain extent. Granted the rules say a single fuel injector, they don't prohibit multi nozzle injectors.MercAMGF1Fans wrote:Still don't know why F1 didn't go with stratified fuel injection.. couple that with a turbo you get an insane torque curve, you can run the engine with a much leaner fuel mix, rev the damn thing to a much higher RPM, meaning more sound, more speed, more fuel efficiency and also more thermal efficiency.
then add you ERS, on top
SectorOne wrote:I´d like to see this:
- Teams get 100kg´s of fuel to use for Qualifying and Race. How they use that is entirely up to them.
- Engine manufacturers can not charge more then 5 million and they have to accomodate any team wanting to buy their engine.
- Virtual box of dimensions where the engine has to fit exluding exhaust.
- No rules on electric harvesting, storing or deployment. Only certain safety regulations aimed at mechanics and driver.
If rules like these are good or not i have no idea but i do think they give a lot more freedom rather then "it has to be a V8 with a cylinder bore of yada yada yada"
It´s a bit like the laws of nature in that if you want to build an airplane the only criteria is that it needs to be able to fly.
You don´t have to build an exact replica of a Boeing 747 to build an airplane.
So price, fuel allocation and outer dimensions are the only limitations, other then that you can do whatever you want.
+1SectorOne wrote:I´d like to see this:
- Teams get 100kg´s of fuel to use for Qualifying and Race. How they use that is entirely up to them.
- Engine manufacturers can not charge more then 5 million and they have to accomodate any team wanting to buy their engine.
- Virtual box of dimensions where the engine has to fit exluding exhaust.
- No rules on electric harvesting, storing or deployment. Only certain safety regulations aimed at mechanics and driver.
If rules like these are good or not i have no idea but i do think they give a lot more freedom rather then "it has to be a V8 with a cylinder bore of yada yada yada"
It´s a bit like the laws of nature in that if you want to build an airplane the only criteria is that it needs to be able to fly.
You don´t have to build an exact replica of a Boeing 747 to build an airplane.
So price, fuel allocation and outer dimensions are the only limitations, other then that you can do whatever you want.
nah, they're effectively Jet/Diesel firing now.. and that's the down side to it all.. Much lower RPM.. meaning lesser noise, and at the end of the torque curve far to quicklygodlameroso wrote:
I was under the impression they already did to a certain extent. Granted the rules say a single fuel injector, they don't prohibit multi nozzle injectors.
5.10.2 There may only be one direct injector per cylinder and no injectors are permitted upstream of the intake valves or downstream of the exhaust valves. Only approved parts may be used and the list of parts approved by the FIA, and the approval procedure, may be found in the Appendix to the Technical Regulations.
Maybe even a diesel engine or two? I mean all bets are off with regulations like that.godlameroso wrote:Almost assuredly no one would use a reciprocating piston engine with poppet valves if that was the case. Does F1 need a reciprocating piston engine with poppet valves though?
Would a radial engine work, or a rotary, or a turbine, or a steam engine? What kind of valve drive would you use if you did indeed use a piston engine? Would you eliminate the cam drive, like the Konigsegg free-valve tech? Would you use a stepped fixed ration transmission, or CVT? Would you even use a transmission and instead just use the ICE as an electric generator? Maybe just drive strictly off electric motors?
The problem with rules like this is that you think from the way the current rules, with a ice etc.mrluke wrote:+1SectorOne wrote:I´d like to see this:
- Teams get 100kg´s of fuel to use for Qualifying and Race. How they use that is entirely up to them.
- Engine manufacturers can not charge more then 5 million and they have to accomodate any team wanting to buy their engine.
- Virtual box of dimensions where the engine has to fit exluding exhaust.
- No rules on electric harvesting, storing or deployment. Only certain safety regulations aimed at mechanics and driver.
If rules like these are good or not i have no idea but i do think they give a lot more freedom rather then "it has to be a V8 with a cylinder bore of yada yada yada"
It´s a bit like the laws of nature in that if you want to build an airplane the only criteria is that it needs to be able to fly.
You don´t have to build an exact replica of a Boeing 747 to build an airplane.
So price, fuel allocation and outer dimensions are the only limitations, other then that you can do whatever you want.
I would just limit fuel for the race otherwise qualy is going to be lots of cars sitting in garages
Otherwise, FIA to supply up to 100kg of pump fuel for each car for each race.
Limit size of cars to a box
Mandatory safety requirements
Minimum driver and seat weight.
Then a Balance of performance to ensure one team isn't miles ahead and to allow manufacturers to bring their own tech. I.e. maybe Renault want a small turbo engine and Ferrari want loads of cylinders, balance it out at the end so that they can both be competitive.
As much as I hate BOP I would rather have a strong healthy grid full of cars with plenty of differentiation .
Not sure about that.MercAMGF1Fans wrote: nah, they're effectively Jet/Diesel firing now.. and that's the down side to it all.. Much lower RPM.. meaning lesser noise, and at the end of the torque curve far to quickly
Maybe Formula one isn't for you then. GT3 has tried BOP with different engine sizes and it doesn't work. Some cars are much better then others. Even with similar specs and regulations many categories still have significantly varied performance from the best team to the worst.mrluke wrote:+1SectorOne wrote:I´d like to see this:
- Teams get 100kg´s of fuel to use for Qualifying and Race. How they use that is entirely up to them.
- Engine manufacturers can not charge more then 5 million and they have to accomodate any team wanting to buy their engine.
- Virtual box of dimensions where the engine has to fit exluding exhaust.
- No rules on electric harvesting, storing or deployment. Only certain safety regulations aimed at mechanics and driver.
If rules like these are good or not i have no idea but i do think they give a lot more freedom rather then "it has to be a V8 with a cylinder bore of yada yada yada"
It´s a bit like the laws of nature in that if you want to build an airplane the only criteria is that it needs to be able to fly.
You don´t have to build an exact replica of a Boeing 747 to build an airplane.
So price, fuel allocation and outer dimensions are the only limitations, other then that you can do whatever you want.
I would just limit fuel for the race otherwise qualy is going to be lots of cars sitting in garages
Otherwise, FIA to supply up to 100kg of pump fuel for each car for each race.
Limit size of cars to a box
Mandatory safety requirements
Minimum driver and seat weight.
Then a Balance of performance to ensure one team isn't miles ahead and to allow manufacturers to bring their own tech. I.e. maybe Renault want a small turbo engine and Ferrari want loads of cylinders, balance it out at the end so that they can both be competitive.
As much as I hate BOP I would rather have a strong healthy grid full of cars with plenty of differentiation .