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Renault Sport Racing and McLaren Racing are pleased to announce they have agreed an engine supply partnership for the 2018, 2019 and 2020 seasons. The deal will see Renault Sport Racing supply McLaren with Formula 1 power units, while also establishing a close working relationship with McLaren’s engineers and technicians.
well you are absolutely correct. if that honda engine was in redbull, mclaren wouldnt be bashing honda and hiding behind them but instead working hard to improve their aero efficiency. but unfortunately for honda they dont have a benchmark chassis to compare. i really hope mclaren run their high rake angles in 2018The issue that most have is your assertion that the Honda PU is competitive with the Renault PU and it is the excessive drag of the McLaren chassis which is responsible for the poor top speeds.
Brundle assesment is biased. no wonder he was supporting the british team, because he is one. he assesment was based on top speeds, and even if he spoke to so called engineers at mclaren , that does not mean they are right. we know what mclaren engineers said in 2013 and 14 but what happened.? cant wait for 2018. these commentators dont see the whole picture, i also believe they need to bring a more outspoken leader other than hasegawa. he is too soft, honda need some like cyril, who is not scared to speak up.Brundle's statement is not AIUI a result of some calcs based on drag. They are figures which have been spoken of in the pit lane and as such can be used to verify the drag of the cars.
You are calling Brundle biased again. I hope to God you were going for irony after your comments on here.techman wrote: ↑26 Nov 2017, 04:53well you are absolutely correct. if that honda engine was in redbull, mclaren wouldnt be bashing honda and hiding behind them but instead working hard to improve their aero efficiency. but unfortunately for honda they dont have a benchmark chassis to compare. i really hope mclaren run their high rake angles in 2018The issue that most have is your assertion that the Honda PU is competitive with the Renault PU and it is the excessive drag of the McLaren chassis which is responsible for the poor top speeds.
Brundle assesment is biased. no wonder he was supporting the british team, because he is one. he assesment was based on top speeds, and even if he spoke to so called engineers at mclaren , that does not mean they are right. we know what mclaren engineers said in 2013 and 14 but what happened.? cant wait for 2018. these commentators dont see the whole picture, i also believe they need to bring a more outspoken leader other than hasegawa. he is too soft, honda need some like cyril, who is not scared to speak up.Brundle's statement is not AIUI a result of some calcs based on drag. They are figures which have been spoken of in the pit lane and as such can be used to verify the drag of the cars.
Care to supply any independent reference to support this?techman wrote: ↑26 Nov 2017, 04:53well you are absolutely correct. if that honda engine was in redbull, mclaren wouldnt be bashing honda and hiding behind them but instead working hard to improve their aero efficiency. but unfortunately for honda they dont have a benchmark chassis to compare. i really hope mclaren run their high rake angles in 2018The issue that most have is your assertion that the Honda PU is competitive with the Renault PU and it is the excessive drag of the McLaren chassis which is responsible for the poor top speeds.
Brundle assesment is biased. no wonder he was supporting the british team, because he is one. he assesment was based on top speeds, and even if he spoke to so called engineers at mclaren , that does not mean they are right. we know what mclaren engineers said in 2013 and 14 but what happened.? cant wait for 2018. these commentators dont see the whole picture, i also believe they need to bring a more outspoken leader other than hasegawa. he is too soft, honda need some like cyril, who is not scared to speak up.Brundle's statement is not AIUI a result of some calcs based on drag. They are figures which have been spoken of in the pit lane and as such can be used to verify the drag of the cars.
Newsflash: Why should they be infront of Redbull. Who is saying they will be infront of Redbull? Only you are the one who is singing the same song over and over again. The fact is that the chasis is good enough to compensate for lack of power, noone compares it to Redbulls.THEY DONT NEED TO BE INFRONT OF REDBULL, THEY NEED TO BE ABLE TO COLLECT POINTS REGURARLY WHICH WITH HONDA IS AN IMPOSSIBLE TASK. THEY CHOOSED RENAULT BECAUSE THEY KNEW THEY WILL BE ABLE TO COLLECT MORE THAN 100 POINTS PER SEASON AND THAT IS WHAT THEIR SHAREHOLDERS DEMANDED. HONDA FAILED 3 YEARS IN A ROW AND BOTH THE TEAM AND SHAREHOLDERS HAD ENOUGH OF IT. NOW THAT IS A FACT. U ONLY USE REDBULL EXCUSE SO U WILL HAVE SOMETHING FOR "I TOLD U SO" AFTER STR WILL GET THE PAIN OF HONDA AND EVERYBODY WILL MOCK U, BUT U WILL STILL HAVE THE REDBULL AND "I TOLD U SO". U ARE ONLY USING THE REDBULL AS A FAILSAFE.techman wrote: ↑26 Nov 2017, 10:55iam not trolling , i am telling the raw truth . if you people believe mclaren have such an amazing chassis. why cant you say openly that mclaren will beat redbull in the constructor title next year end. You cant because inside you know that mclaren is NEVER an efficient chassis as redbull.
i also posted a link few pages ago where mclaren intentionally ran heavy downforce in brazil and it was reported by honda engineers to reporter . and some of you came and said its a japanese article so he is biased towards honda. so do you expect me to believe a british guy saying honda lacks so much bhp. yeah right!!. no wonder mr brundle guy is praising the british team mclaren. NO SUPRISE. i wonder what he will say when mclaren are behind redbull next season. I guess he might say renault engine in redbull is little bit more powerfull.
Sorry Mr techman/F1AutoFan (Your old Autsport forum nick w/e) ; but as you say, if it is your truth we have to believe or trust against a so called biased Brundle, or Scarbs, and so many other pundits that seem to give credit to Mclarens aero developments...you will understand the lack of support.techman wrote: ↑26 Nov 2017, 10:55iam not trolling , i am telling the raw truth . if you people believe mclaren have such an amazing chassis. why cant you say openly that mclaren will beat redbull in the constructor title next year end. You cant because inside you know that mclaren is NEVER an efficient chassis as redbull.
Yet why no other news outlet, has followed up on such relevant news?! Dont you think is rather strange or is Mclaren also able to control all F1 media?i also posted a link few pages ago where mclaren intentionally ran heavy downforce in brazil and it was reported by honda engineers to reporter. and some of you came and said its a japanese article so he is biased towards honda.
We dont expect you to believe anyone, but again, between you, forum poster extraordinaire versus a "british nobody" named Martin Brundle...want to bet where people will place trust?so do you expect me to believe a british guy saying honda lacks so much bhp. yeah right!!. no wonder mr brundle guy is praising the british team mclaren. NO SUPRISE. i wonder what he will say when mclaren are behind redbull next season. I guess he might say renault engine in redbull is little bit more powerfull.
Brundle has been very scathing of McLaren. Not the actions of someone with bias.techman wrote: ↑26 Nov 2017, 10:55iam not trolling , i am telling the raw truth . if you people believe mclaren have such an amazing chassis. why cant you say openly that mclaren will beat redbull in the constructor title next year end. You cant because inside you know that mclaren is NEVER an efficient chassis as redbull.
i also posted a link few pages ago where mclaren intentionally ran heavy downforce in brazil and it was reported by honda engineers to reporter . and some of you came and said its a japanese article so he is biased towards honda. so do you expect me to believe a british guy saying honda lacks so much bhp. yeah right!!. no wonder mr brundle guy is praising the british team mclaren. NO SUPRISE. i wonder what he will say when mclaren are behind redbull next season. I guess he might say renault engine in redbull is little bit more powerfull.
It is only you arguing with yourself claiming everyone is saying McLaren will beat RBR in 2018. I don't recall anyone saying they will. Predicting 2018 relative performance accurately based on 2017 chassis with different PUs would be difficult to do. Based on the evidence of PU suppliers thus far, it is pretty safe to say that all else being equal, Renault have a better chance of producing a competitive PU in 2018 than Honda.techman wrote: ↑26 Nov 2017, 10:55iam not trolling , i am telling the raw truth . if you people believe mclaren have such an amazing chassis. why cant you say openly that mclaren will beat redbull in the constructor title next year end. You cant because inside you know that mclaren is NEVER an efficient chassis as redbull.
i also posted a link few pages ago where mclaren intentionally ran heavy downforce in brazil and it was reported by honda engineers to reporter . and some of you came and said its a japanese article so he is biased towards honda. so do you expect me to believe a british guy saying honda lacks so much bhp. yeah right!!. no wonder mr brundle guy is praising the british team mclaren. NO SUPRISE. i wonder what he will say when mclaren are behind redbull next season. I guess he might say renault engine in redbull is little bit more powerfull.
oh yes he was told by mclaren people and mclaren propaganda machineBrundle in the instance where the power deficits were mentioned, wasn't praising McLaren, he was reporting what he had been told.
. great. anway alonso reckons mclaren have best chassis and mclaren believe they can compete for wins. Let see. i cant wait for 2018 to see them with eggs on their faces.Repeating it ad nauseam doesn't make it any more true you know.techman wrote: ↑26 Nov 2017, 14:07oh yes he was told by mclaren people and mclaren propaganda machineBrundle in the instance where the power deficits were mentioned, wasn't praising McLaren, he was reporting what he had been told.
Oh dear. When you are resorting to just making stuff up it's clear you are either a troll or delusional you can decide which.techman wrote: ↑26 Nov 2017, 14:07oh yes he was told by mclaren people and mclaren propaganda machineBrundle in the instance where the power deficits were mentioned, wasn't praising McLaren, he was reporting what he had been told.
