2018 Scuderia Toro Rosso F1 Team - Honda

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marmer wrote:
Sun Dec 10, 2017 6:59 pm
I think he means the great work of Renault to insure they had decent engines for the last few races while giving Toro rosso something that was slower than last year's Ferrari in a sauber ... Takes real skill to be that anti sporting but they do have history.. Singapore anyone
Not to mention horribly unreliable and therefore replete with grid penalties. That's one of the things I find interesting about McLaren's decision...do they really expect fair treatment as a customer team when the factory team clearly has every intention to climb the ladder and compete at the top end themselves? Renault soundly beat McLaren in the championship this year...why would they want to see a reverse of that in 2018? I seriously hope we get to see TR Honda nipping at the heels of both those teams next year, that would make my day!

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G'dayBruce wrote:
Mon Dec 11, 2017 11:03 am
marmer wrote:
Sun Dec 10, 2017 6:59 pm
I think he means the great work of Renault to insure they had decent engines for the last few races while giving Toro rosso something that was slower than last year's Ferrari in a sauber ... Takes real skill to be that anti sporting but they do have history.. Singapore anyone
Not to mention horribly unreliable and therefore replete with grid penalties. That's one of the things I find interesting about McLaren's decision...do they really expect fair treatment as a customer team when the factory team clearly has every intention to climb the ladder and compete at the top end themselves? Renault soundly beat McLaren in the championship this year...why would they want to see a reverse of that in 2018? I seriously hope we get to see TR Honda nipping at the heels of both those teams next year, that would make my day!
+1 :mrgreen:

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Q: Franz, 2017 was a rollercoaster ride for Toro Rosso. Can you talk us through the highs, the lows - and the subterranean?

Franz Tost: We are still above ground! (Laughs) That’s because we had a very good start into the season, a very successful first half – either we were in P5 in the constructors’ championship, or pretty close. But then came the second half – and that was a different matter. We weren’t as competitive as expected – for different reasons, one of them being the departure of Carlos (Sainz). That didn’t really help. But also the car development side was not as planned, as we didn’t make the steps that others did in the same time. And then, of course, all the reliability issues. Other than Singapore, we always had one car at the back of the grid – and that is never helpful if your plan is to score points!

Q: What about the driver situation? You had to let Carlos Sainz – your main points scorer – move to Renault; then Daniil Kvyat was dropped; and you ended up racing with two rookies, Pierre Gasly and Brendon Hartley, both of whom are now confirmed for 2018. Is that a satisfying situation for you?

FT: We see from other teams that to be successful a certain proportion of stability is crucial. This is a luxury we hardly ever had – particularly not this season. To change two drivers during a season is hard to swallow, as it has a big impact on the performance of the team. But the switch of Carlos to Renault was part of our contractual situation: we had a valid contract with Renault for the next year and as compensation to get out of this contract we had to give them Carlos. You see it’s once again true: you can’t have everything in life! (Laughs)

Q: Brendon Hartley – a former Red Bull junior who was dropped – is not your typical Toro Rosso driver: the same age as Daniel Ricciardo, yet an F1 rookie. Was he the best available?

FT: Well, he was probably a bit immature when he was with us in the past. He was always fast, but somehow couldn’t get it together – not for a whole season – but now he is back aged 28. And my guess is that something similar could happen to Daniil.

Q: In recent years you’ve tended to have teenagers, or guys in their very early twenties at the wheel. Now you have a more mature driver. Does that help?

FT: It is good for us having an experienced driver given all the changes that are around the corner. He is getting better with every lap that he is doing and I am really convinced that both our drivers could do well next season.

Q: Another power unit change for you in 2018. What are the early signs from the new cooperation with Honda?

FT: We are on schedule. Of course every other day we have videoconferences – so yes, there is a very close cooperation already.

Q: Sounds like a honeymoon period…

FT: Yes – and let’s hope it stays that way for a long time!

Q: How close will Red Bull Racing watch the situation? They supposedly don’t have a confirmed engine deal past 2018…

FT: I’m sure they will have a very close look. And whatever they plan with their engine from 2019 onwards that is a decision for Red Bull Racing.

Q: You seem to be very happy with the Honda switch – no tears over the past cooperation…

FT: Yes I am very happy, because we are their only partner in F1. I see it already with the design of the monocoque: we can come up with our own ideas and are not having to take what others have planned for themselves. That is a big advantage. And because we are the only one, we’re sure will have enough power units and parts for the whole season! It is fantastic to be the ‘benchmark’ for an engine manufacturer.

Q: Do you sometimes tire of repeatedly going ‘back to square one’? You had your dream result of P5 in the standings within reach, only to see Renault move ahead in the season’s final race…

FT: Knowing the background – that we had to let Sainz go to get Honda – and looking ahead, the expectation of a great future exceeds the disappointment of the present!

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Good to see Tost embracing the changes with optimism :-)

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I think many people in the F1 community are going to be surprised this year with the performance of Red Bull Toro Rosso Honda Racing as a "Team"...🤓

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I'm interested to see how this partnership will work out. I'm expecting reasonable performance, but obviously the goal posts will move since Mclaren and Renault will move forward. The worrying part for Toro Rosso is in my opinion their driver line-up. I simpy cannot get excited about Gasly and Hartley - it's arguably their worst driver pairing in a long time.

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I'm going to give them until mid-season until I really make a call on their performance. I don't think they will be as bad as the Williams combo last year.
Honda!

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We need better drivers ASAP......I still can't believe they let Daniil go...smh

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ME4ME wrote:
Tue Dec 12, 2017 9:03 pm
I'm interested to see how this partnership will work out. I'm expecting reasonable performance, but obviously the goal posts will move since Mclaren and Renault will move forward. The worrying part for Toro Rosso is in my opinion their driver line-up. I simpy cannot get excited about Gasly and Hartley - it's arguably their worst driver pairing in a long time.
+1 :evil:

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ME4ME wrote:
Tue Dec 12, 2017 9:03 pm
I'm interested to see how this partnership will work out. I'm expecting reasonable performance, but obviously the goal posts will move since Mclaren and Renault will move forward. The worrying part for Toro Rosso is in my opinion their driver line-up. I simpy cannot get excited about Gasly and Hartley - it's arguably their worst driver pairing in a long time.
They should have kept Daniil or brought in Sato and Dixon from the IRL....I highly doubt that the combo of Gasly and Hartley are better then them.....I sincerely hope they prove me wrong!

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I heard Red Bull will act as a adviser in the STR13 chassis development.
As honda will not change the engine concept,so i think the whole package will be good next season.
The drivers seems to be the question mark.

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HondaRaceReplica wrote:
Tue Dec 12, 2017 10:14 pm
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ME4ME wrote:
Tue Dec 12, 2017 9:03 pm
I'm interested to see how this partnership will work out. I'm expecting reasonable performance, but obviously the goal posts will move since Mclaren and Renault will move forward. The worrying part for Toro Rosso is in my opinion their driver line-up. I simpy cannot get excited about Gasly and Hartley - it's arguably their worst driver pairing in a long time.
They should have kept Daniil or brought in Sato and Dixon from the IRL....I highly doubt that the combo of Gasly and Hartley are better then them.....I sincerely hope they prove me wrong!
Come on man, give them a chance, they've stepped in late in the season as F1 rookies, had countless grid penalties to deal with, plus what's probably been a detuned Renault engine. And if Hartley is considered old by f1 standards, what does that make Dixon?

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hasika wrote:
Wed Dec 13, 2017 5:45 am
I heard Red Bull will act as a adviser in the STR13 chassis development.
As honda will not change the engine concept,so i think the whole package will be good next season.
The drivers seems to be the question mark.
Red Bull always advises STR chassis development.

2016 that meant a near 1-1 clone of Red Bull, this year it was copying Mercedes aero solutions to see if the direction was worth pursuing for Red Bull.

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hasika wrote:
Wed Dec 13, 2017 5:45 am
I heard Red Bull will act as a adviser in the STR13 chassis development.
Are you talking about the rumor of Adrian Newey's design team?

The development of RB13 was largely developed by Rob Marshall, Dan Fallow, Pierre Wache and Paul Monaghan. Newey was only called when it appeared that the RB13 data from the wind tunnel did not match the real model. In 2018 Adrian will use 50% of his time for the F1 project

As the RB14 already has its own developers (Rob, Dan, Pierre, Paul). It is rumored that the Newey team works in the TR. (obviously in a minimal way). But everything is a rumor

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hasika wrote:
Wed Dec 13, 2017 5:45 am
I heard Red Bull will act as a adviser in the STR13 chassis development.
As honda will not change the engine concept,so i think the whole package will be good next season.
The drivers seems to be the question mark.
I heard the Honda of next year will be made of gold. It's kinda obvious that Red Bull will assist, just like they have done in the last couple of years, nothing new. It isn't even certain that Red Bull will switch engines after 2018 and there is plenty of time to optimize the chassis when switching to Honda.
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