More details about McLaren's technical leadership changes are becoming public as it has now become clear that Toro Rosso's highly valued technical director, James Key, is set to join McLaren in the same role.
thats fine but dont come to honda or TR forums and act a troll like you are.Too many if’s with Honda. This talk about “they will come good” “it’s just a matter of time” gets old after 4 years. Feel free to go support them just leave them out of McLaren Renault threads. It’s off topic and has no place here.
Yeah, I read that article. It was pretty vague with regards to which parts they were being asked to reuse. I'm sure that when you've paid for your PU you always want new parts no matter what the costs. Anyways that looked like a spat between Renault and STR. With one accusing the other of perverting the installation and the other replying that no it's the old parts. Not sure where the truth is there.Restomaniac wrote: ↑02 Jan 2018, 10:58STR didn't seem to think so.diffuser wrote: ↑02 Jan 2018, 05:28There are rules against that inforced by the FIA.marmer wrote: ↑02 Jan 2018, 02:48
not talking about new parts here they didn't give toro rosso any new old stock and as such had to run with reduced power combined with the fact that they give their own cars real new parts with more performance around the same time when toro rosso parts all started to fail due to wear and tear
True but let us be honest. The Renault factory team didn't seem to be hitting the same kind of problems.diffuser wrote: ↑02 Jan 2018, 15:04Yeah, I read that article. It was pretty vague with regards to which parts they were being asked to reuse. I'm sure that when you've paid for your PU you always want new parts no matter what the costs. Anyways that looked like a spat between Renault and STR. With one accusing the other of perverting the installation and the other replying that no it's the old parts. Not sure where the truth is there.
http://www.racer.com/f1/item/146513-mcl ... 017-146513Zak Brown wrote:Asked if there is a fresh excitement within McLaren ahead of its switch to Renault power units in this coming season, Brown replied: "Definitely.
"Energy, enthusiasm, excitement are kind of at an all-time high, certainly within the last five years. Morale's great, people are working hard, we're excited. We've got a new livery coming, we've got a new garage coming, we've got a new engine coming, we've got the two drivers we wanted... Everyone's working well together.
"Eric [Boullier] is happy with everything that he has. I asked him the other day 'Anything else you need?' 'Nope, I got what I need.' So everyone is excited and the anticipation is building. I wish Australia was tomorrow."
McHonda wrote: ↑02 Jan 2018, 17:04http://www.racer.com/f1/item/146513-mcl ... 017-146513Zak Brown wrote:Asked if there is a fresh excitement within McLaren ahead of its switch to Renault power units in this coming season, Brown replied: "Definitely.
"Energy, enthusiasm, excitement are kind of at an all-time high, certainly within the last five years. Morale's great, people are working hard, we're excited. We've got a new livery coming, we've got a new garage coming, we've got a new engine coming, we've got the two drivers we wanted... Everyone's working well together.
"Eric [Boullier] is happy with everything that he has. I asked him the other day 'Anything else you need?' 'Nope, I got what I need.' So everyone is excited and the anticipation is building. I wish Australia was tomorrow."
Honda already knew in December that they were in big, big trouble. Let's hope that McLaren can at least do 60+ laps on their first day.diffuser wrote: ↑02 Jan 2018, 17:36McHonda wrote: ↑02 Jan 2018, 17:04http://www.racer.com/f1/item/146513-mcl ... 017-146513Zak Brown wrote:Asked if there is a fresh excitement within McLaren ahead of its switch to Renault power units in this coming season, Brown replied: "Definitely.
"Energy, enthusiasm, excitement are kind of at an all-time high, certainly within the last five years. Morale's great, people are working hard, we're excited. We've got a new livery coming, we've got a new garage coming, we've got a new engine coming, we've got the two drivers we wanted... Everyone's working well together.
"Eric [Boullier] is happy with everything that he has. I asked him the other day 'Anything else you need?' 'Nope, I got what I need.' So everyone is excited and the anticipation is building. I wish Australia was tomorrow."
Thanks for that link but comments like that are BS...They aren't gonna tell us the truth. Remember last year Honda said everything was going as planned till they showed up in testing ....then nothing was. (not choosing Honda to pick on them, just using them as an example).
Just like you?techman wrote: ↑02 Jan 2018, 14:23thats fine but dont come to honda or TR forums and act a troll like you are.Too many if’s with Honda. This talk about “they will come good” “it’s just a matter of time” gets old after 4 years. Feel free to go support them just leave them out of McLaren Renault threads. It’s off topic and has no place here.
It's good te be careful with expectations. Looking at the last couple of races in 2017, Alonso wasn't far off the quickest Force India in qualifying though. If Mclaren gain 20-30 hp by switching Honda for Renault, that will help. If i recall correctly Mclaren has about dubble the budget of Force India, and Renault is still building up its team. Mclaren should be in a good position regarding these aspects.zeph wrote: ↑02 Jan 2018, 21:58I think top 4 is a big task; they’d have to be better than Force India, and McLaren hasn’t been in the top 4 since 2012. Also, it remains to be seen where the Renault works team is gonna land. If they are competitive and there was to be a battle for 4th and 5th between them, I wouldn’t be surprised to see McLaren’s PU software updates being delayed etc.
Finishing 4th in the WDC will count as a big win for me.
thats a disappointment for sure. i thought mclaren boast about that chassis, surely they should be in top 3 at the end of the 2018 season, if not that a failure for mclaren and will expose their incompetent engineers.I will be very happy with top 4. That’s already a huge turnaround from last season.
It all depends. If they have the same pace as the Red Bull at the end of 2018 4th is good, if they are far of the pace of Red Bull 4th isn't good.ME4ME wrote: ↑02 Jan 2018, 22:55It's good te be careful with expectations. Looking at the last couple of races in 2017, Alonso wasn't far off the quickest Force India in qualifying though. If Mclaren gain 20-30 hp by switching Honda for Renault, that will help. If i recall correctly Mclaren has about dubble the budget of Force India, and Renault is still building up its team. Mclaren should be in a good position regarding these aspects.zeph wrote: ↑02 Jan 2018, 21:58I think top 4 is a big task; they’d have to be better than Force India, and McLaren hasn’t been in the top 4 since 2012. Also, it remains to be seen where the Renault works team is gonna land. If they are competitive and there was to be a battle for 4th and 5th between them, I wouldn’t be surprised to see McLaren’s PU software updates being delayed etc.
Finishing 4th in the WDC will count as a big win for me.
If you'd have to point out a weakness at Mclaren, that would be Stoffel Vandoorne. He has yet to find the form that his previous achievements alude he has in him. But for the constructors championship, this might hurt Mclaren a bit. Both Renault and Force India are solid in this regard for 2018.
Finishing 4th is the minimum i'd expect from Mclaren. However, it's also the maximum.
ROFL....techman wrote: ↑03 Jan 2018, 00:30thats a disappointment for sure. i thought mclaren boast about that chassis, surely they should be in top 3 at the end of the 2018 season, if not that a failure for mclaren and will expose their incompetent engineers.I will be very happy with top 4. That’s already a huge turnaround from last season.
