diffuser wrote: ↑Wed Sep 02, 2020 2:03 am
e30ernest wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 4:26 pm
diffuser wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 3:14 pm
You can't say that. Lets say they ran some guy that always finished behind either Bottas or Rosberg. That ups Bottas/Rosberg points. They probably finsh with the same or more points than Hamilton for the given year.
The records are going to be his but does it have any corelation to how good he is ? no.
He'll keep the records forever in my opinion cause with the changes coming. It will be hard to repeat in the coming F1 envirnoment. All those titles were purchased by Merc. They out spent everyone with the possible exception to Ferrari. So really it was a race against Ferrari (4 drivers). Well really 3 cause Rai was was a driver choosen to finish behind Vettel. All the other teams where in another series.
I kind of wish they had another podium for the 4th 5th and 6th Drivers. That's where the real excitement is and we could ignore the bore up front.
The question was whether or not Hamilton's teammates would have won the WDC had Hamilton not been at Mercedes. So it looks like (to me) Rosberg would have for 2014-2016 and Bottas for 2019. Vettel would have gotten 2017 (close to Bottas yes so it could go either way) and 2018 (not even a contest against Bottas). Even if that person ran behind Bottas, I don't think he would have gotten Vettel on 2018.
I answered the question. You take hamilton out and Bottas and Rosberg probably win instead. Simply cause they gain points from hamilton not being there. There were alot of Merc 1 2 finishes. More than half where led by Hamilton. You reverse that and the not hamilton driver wins.
So I'm going to look into the races where Bottas finished behind Lewis and bump him up a place (as Lewis magically disappeared). I will do the same for Vettel in this case because if he finished behind Lewis and ahead of Bottas, he'll probably end up a place higher as well.
2017
Bottas:
AUS - 3rd bumped to 2nd + 3pts
CHN - 6th bumped to 5th + 2pts
BHR - 3rd bumped to 2nd + 3pts
RUS - 4th bumped to 3rd + 3pts
ESP - RET (no change)
MON - 4th, Lewis 7th (no change)
CAN - 2nd bumped to 1st + 7pts
AZE - 2nd, Lewis 5th (no change)
AUT - 1st (no change)
GBR - 2nd bumped to 1st + 7pts
HUN - 3rd, Lewis 4th (no change)
BEL - 5th bumped to 4th + 2pts
ITA - 2nd bumped to 1st + 7pts
SIN - 3rd bumped to 2nd + 3pts
MAL - 5th bumped to 4th + 2pts
JPN - 4th bumped to 3rd + 3pts
USA - 5th bumped to 4th + 2pts
MEX - 2nd, Lewis 9th (no change)
BRA - 2nd, Lewis 4th (no change)
ABU - 1st, Lewis 2nd (no change)
Points change = +44 points
Total Year End = 349
Vettel
AUS - 1st, Lewis 2nd (no change)
CHN - 2nd bumped to 1st + 7pts
BHR - 1st, Lewis 2nd (no change)
RUS - 2nd, Lewis 4th (no change)
ESP - 2nd bumped to 1st + 7pts
MON - 1st, Lewis 2nd (no change)
CAN - 4th bumped to 3rd + 3pts
AZE - 4th, Lewis 5th (no change)
AUT - 2nd, Lewis 4th (no change)
GBR - 7th bumped to 6th + 2pts
HUN - 1st, Lewis 4th (no change)
BEL - 2nd bumped to 1st + 7pts
ITA - 3rd bumped to 2nd + 3pts
SIN - RET (no change)
MAL - 4th bumped to 3rd + 3pts
JPN - RET (no change)
USA - 2nd bumped to 1st + 7pts
MEX - 4th, Lewis 9th (no change)
BRA - 1st, Lewis 4th (no change)
ABU - 3rd bumped to 2nd + 2pts
Points change = +41 points
Total Year End = 358 points (WINNER)
2018
Bottas
AUS - 8th bumped to 7th + 2pts
BHR - 2nd, Lewis 3rd (no change)
CHN - 2nd, Lewis 4th (no change)
AZE - 14th bumped to 13th (no change)
ESP - 2nd bumped to 1st + 7pts
MON - 5th bumped to 4th + 2pts
CAN - 2nd, Lewis 5th (no change)
FRA - 7th bumped to 6th + 2pts
AUT - RET (no change)
GBR - 4th bumped to 3rd + 3pts
GER - 2nd bumped to 1st + 7pts
HUN - 5th bumped to 4th + 2pts
BEL - 4th bumped to 3rd + 3pts
ITA - 3rd bumped to 2nd + 3pts
SIN - 4th bumped to 3rd + 3pts
RUS - 2nd bumped to 1st + 7pts
JPN - 2nd bumped to 1st + 7pts
USA - 5th bumped to 4th + 2pts
MEX - 5th bumped to 4th + 2pts
BRA - 5th bumped to 4th + 2pts
ABU - 5th bumped to 4th + 2pts
Points change = +56 points
Total Year End = 303 points
Vettel
AUS - 1st (no change)
BHR - 1st (no change)
CHN - 8th bumped to 7th + 2pts
AZE - 4th bumped to 3rd + 3pts
ESP - 4th bumped to 3rd + 3pts
MON - 2nd, Lewis 3rd (no change)
CAN - 1st (no change)
FRA - 5th bumped to 4th + 2pts
AUT - 3rd, Lewis RET (no change)
GBR - 1st (no change)
GER - RET (no change)
HUN - 2nd bumped to 1st + 7pts
BEL - 1st (no change)
ITA - 4th bumped to 3rd + 3pts
SIN - 3rd bumped to 2nd + 3pts
RUS - 3rd bumped to 2nd + 3pts
JPN - 6th bumped to 5th + 2pts
USA - 4th bumped to 3rd + 3pts
MEX - 2nd, Lewis 4th (no change)
BRA - 6th bumped to 5th + 2pts
ABU - 2nd bumped to 1st + 7pts
Points change = +40 points
Total Year End = 360 points (WINNER)
So Vettel will still take 2017 and 18 if Hamilton magically disappeared. Bottas would take 2019. Rosberg stands the same, he'd take 2014-16.
Going through those years again, Hamilton's consistency is amazing here.