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You come across very vile.Manoah2u wrote: ↑28 Jan 2019, 10:44ill refute that TOTAL BULLSH*T story to the land of fairytalesJackles-UK wrote: ↑28 Jan 2019, 03:45You say that like McLaren didn’t try and move heaven, hell & high water in 2017 to try and run with a Mercedes PU for 2018 when they were negotiating a split with Honda. Mercedes were the ones who flatly refused - I assume it’s because they see McLaren as a title threat in a way that they don’t with Williams & Force India. Can’t see that opinion changing any time soon, despite McLaren’s recent maladies.
http://www.espn.in/f1/story/_/id/218899 ... es-mclaren
please keep complete and utter lies away, and inform yourself better first.Toto Wolff says Mercedes wanted to supply McLaren with engines in 2018 but negotiations dragged on for too long.
Wolff insists Mercedes was interested in a deal, but says he was not able to put the infrastructure in place to cater for a fourth customer team at such short notice.
"We wanted to give McLaren an engine, the problem is that it dragged on for a long time and we just didn't have the structure in place and the capacity to supply them an engine for 2018," Wolff told ESPN. "It was simply too late."
Asked if McLaren could return as a customer in the future, Wolff added: "You must never rule out supplying anybody in the future and this is why McLaren or anyone else in the future could be a partner."
Mercedes denied RedBull an engine, not Mclaren.
words from Toto Wolff himself.
So NO, Mclaren did NOT move heaven, hell and high water. That's quite frankly what their problem has been for the past years.
The only mentioning of Mercedes supposedly not willing to provide them was a hypothetical assumption made by Zak Brown claiming they (ferrari and mercedes) preferred seeing them at the back of the grid, and was nothing actually concrete but random talk. Hell, they still were convinced then they'd stay with Honda and Honda would turn things around and give them a winning engine.
The only team responsible for not having Mercedes is Mclaren themselves. They dragged it on for too long, and then couldn't get ANY engine. Not even the renault engine, as they were TOO LATE for that too. Who's fault would that be? ah yes, again, MCLAREN. The ONLY reason they have an engine in 2018 is because they managed to switch with Toro Rosso's Renault engine.
Toto meant that because it took McLaren to Long to decide that they where not able to deliver on such short noticeMcG wrote: ↑13 Feb 2019, 22:39You come across very vile.Manoah2u wrote: ↑28 Jan 2019, 10:44ill refute that TOTAL BULLSH*T story to the land of fairytalesJackles-UK wrote: ↑28 Jan 2019, 03:45You say that like McLaren didn’t try and move heaven, hell & high water in 2017 to try and run with a Mercedes PU for 2018 when they were negotiating a split with Honda. Mercedes were the ones who flatly refused - I assume it’s because they see McLaren as a title threat in a way that they don’t with Williams & Force India. Can’t see that opinion changing any time soon, despite McLaren’s recent maladies.
http://www.espn.in/f1/story/_/id/218899 ... es-mclaren
please keep complete and utter lies away, and inform yourself better first.Toto Wolff says Mercedes wanted to supply McLaren with engines in 2018 but negotiations dragged on for too long.
Wolff insists Mercedes was interested in a deal, but says he was not able to put the infrastructure in place to cater for a fourth customer team at such short notice.
"We wanted to give McLaren an engine, the problem is that it dragged on for a long time and we just didn't have the structure in place and the capacity to supply them an engine for 2018," Wolff told ESPN. "It was simply too late."
Asked if McLaren could return as a customer in the future, Wolff added: "You must never rule out supplying anybody in the future and this is why McLaren or anyone else in the future could be a partner."
Mercedes denied RedBull an engine, not Mclaren.
words from Toto Wolff himself.
So NO, Mclaren did NOT move heaven, hell and high water. That's quite frankly what their problem has been for the past years.
The only mentioning of Mercedes supposedly not willing to provide them was a hypothetical assumption made by Zak Brown claiming they (ferrari and mercedes) preferred seeing them at the back of the grid, and was nothing actually concrete but random talk. Hell, they still were convinced then they'd stay with Honda and Honda would turn things around and give them a winning engine.
The only team responsible for not having Mercedes is Mclaren themselves. They dragged it on for too long, and then couldn't get ANY engine. Not even the renault engine, as they were TOO LATE for that too. Who's fault would that be? ah yes, again, MCLAREN. The ONLY reason they have an engine in 2018 is because they managed to switch with Toro Rosso's Renault engine.
You're missing the part when Toto said Mercedes didn't have he structure to supply McLaren. Also it seems like Toto didn't have the patience to wait on McLaren making the decision.
Well, I don't expect it wasn't easy to get out of the Honda deal. Who even cares, it's been more then a year now. I hope Honda will win, I hope McLaren will improve. I don't understand the constant whining and hate. It simply didn't work out. We've all seen the McLaren documentary, there was simply no communication between the two.Capharol wrote: ↑13 Feb 2019, 23:57Toto meant that because it took McLaren to Long to decide that they where not able to deliver on such short noticeMcG wrote: ↑13 Feb 2019, 22:39You come across very vile.Manoah2u wrote: ↑28 Jan 2019, 10:44
ill refute that TOTAL BULLSH*T story to the land of fairytales
http://www.espn.in/f1/story/_/id/218899 ... es-mclaren
please keep complete and utter lies away, and inform yourself better first.
Mercedes denied RedBull an engine, not Mclaren.
words from Toto Wolff himself.
So NO, Mclaren did NOT move heaven, hell and high water. That's quite frankly what their problem has been for the past years.
The only mentioning of Mercedes supposedly not willing to provide them was a hypothetical assumption made by Zak Brown claiming they (ferrari and mercedes) preferred seeing them at the back of the grid, and was nothing actually concrete but random talk. Hell, they still were convinced then they'd stay with Honda and Honda would turn things around and give them a winning engine.
The only team responsible for not having Mercedes is Mclaren themselves. They dragged it on for too long, and then couldn't get ANY engine. Not even the renault engine, as they were TOO LATE for that too. Who's fault would that be? ah yes, again, MCLAREN. The ONLY reason they have an engine in 2018 is because they managed to switch with Toro Rosso's Renault engine.
You're missing the part when Toto said Mercedes didn't have he structure to supply McLaren. Also it seems like Toto didn't have the patience to wait on McLaren making the decision.
It’s actually even tighter around the exhaust manifold and head. Now that the RW is higher they can leave a gap between the exhaust tip and engine cover without effecting RW upwash significantly, to recover the lost cooling.diffuser wrote: ↑13 Feb 2019, 19:47I'll be surprised, even though they've taken 2 years. Lets hope for the best.
RBR basically put the Honda PU in the same space the Renault was in and you can't even tell they changed PUs.
Yep. The work RBR put in makes it look like McLaren took the 2017-2018 winter off (By comparison).M840TR wrote: ↑14 Feb 2019, 04:38It’s actually even tighter around the exhaust manifold and head. Now that the RW is higher they can leave a gap between the exhaust tip and engine cover without effecting RW upwash significantly, to recover the lost cooling.
I understand your point, but this is Mclaren team thread, and I would stick to Mclaren, and how they will perform.gibells wrote: ↑14 Feb 2019, 10:35Granted, but let's be fair about the fact that RBR have had almost 2 years of working with Honda to get themselves to that point. And time will tell, in testing at least, how well the motor holds with those spacial constraints. What we know is that when McLaren did the same thing (size 0), we were all critical of them when the engines failed. The question is should be as generous with our criticisms of RBR if it goes south?
Hypocrite.