komninosm wrote: ↑
Mon Jun 10, 2019 1:00 am
V12-POWER wrote: ↑
Mon Jun 10, 2019 12:40 am
komninosm wrote: ↑
Mon Jun 10, 2019 12:27 am
Yup exactly. The fake news narration will continue as it has sway with some fans.
People have commented here that the penalty was too harsh. I disagree. It wasn't harsh enough perhaps.
We would do well to remember what happened to Schumacher in 1997 when he was stripped of ALL his points and basically banned from the championship ladder for this:
And here's the text of the story:
Vettel has done more than enough over the past couple of years to imitate his "role model" and has gotten off way too lightly. And this has emboldened some of the fans too, who exhibit bad behavior.
Good job comparing a 100% deliberate crash that is obvious and happened on track, also dont forget it was a move for the championship. Vettel movements to the right don't seem deliberate at all, specially because his counter steering was almost full lock and the rear wasn't planted to the ground, It all happened on the transition of grass to the asphalt, when you make such movements with the steering wheel it means one thing, the car wasn't there. So whoever who is saying he went straight to the wall on purpose is wrong. Or do you really think you're going to go almost full lock to veer to one side? Really? People here underestimate these cars or think they have 900 degree steering. So sad for a "technical" site
I mean, im not a fan of anyone myself but damn some people here do like to say nonsense things.
The only reasonable argument is safe rejoining. This doesnt change the fact current rules are silly if they wont allow situations like this one, in a racing sport, might as well have an "excuse me" button to let other drivers pass "safely"
Spare us your [sad for a "technical" site] crocodile tears.
You know damn well if Vettel did not accelerate so much right upon entering the racetrack he would be able to enter it safely and not oversteer so much. Also his last move to the right was very deliberate indeed and meant to push Hamilton to the wall and crash if necessary. Vettel has done this before, even in the pits once.
(Also note I didn't say this incident alone was equivalent to Schumacher's, I said there's a pattern there of Vettel making bad choices and that FIA punishments today are rather light compared to the past. Some commentators seem to think the opposite, but they are wrong.)
Even the maligned Schumacher eventually admitted guilt and apologized. Whether it was for pushing Barrichelo to the wall or for 1997 controversy or 1994. Vettel has not been punished properly and hasn't made amends.
In my book Vettel is a childish black sheep and not one of the greats. And he's leading many fans down a dark path too.
Where did Vettel accelerate on the grass? I can’t seem to hear it watching the onboard. If he did try to go faster then we should be able to hear it.
He didn’t even touch the throttle while he was on the grass. A small throttle input is enough to make the rear wheels spin and rev the hell up the engine.
Hamilton was well before the apex when Vettel went off...He had a chance had he backed off a little, instead he adhered to push and found himself locked up behind Vettel. Not putting the blame on him though, I would have done the same I guess.
But here’s the thing, Vettel move to the right was gonna happen anyway, the countersteering movement was necessary and for some reason people say it was on purpose.
Why do I say this? Because if you just need to go from left side to right side you don’t turn the wheel almost full lock if you’re in control of the car or if the car/tires are in the operating window.
It seems to me this wasn’t intentional. No throttle/brake inputs from the driver before countersteering, makes it more obvious he wasn’t in total control much less in a position to veer right on purpose.