Cyril taking the walk...that surprises me.
I think they will rue the day...had a good 2020.
Not at all. 2020 had it's progress, but that was due only thanks to having Daniel Ricciardo and Ocon there, and specifically how Daniel requested a car that was harder to drive but unlocks more speed. And second of all, and more importantly, the undeniable fact that all Ferrari powered outfits - for the most part of the season - has by all means completely vanished from the picture in the general top 5 standings, and then there is the issue of RedBull having repetitive DNF's and some covid related issues with other drivers.
So none of the guys Williams or McLaren have picked up have any F1 experience. TP is a manager with technical knowledge. He's not doing any of the creative work, he just needs to understand it. Taffin and Fry will be more technical.Scorpaguy wrote: ↑Wed Jan 13, 2021 2:39 amI enjoy the differing opinions on threads as these...time will tell. I am having a hard time imagining Mr Suzuki gets up to speed...hope I am wrong for Nando's sake. My prediction is that Alpine finishes lower this year than last in the WCC...leadership and budget seem to be more valuable than driver skill.
as diffuser mentions, it's not neccesarily the case of 'getting up to speed', it's managing.Scorpaguy wrote: ↑Wed Jan 13, 2021 2:39 amI enjoy the differing opinions on threads as these...time will tell. I am having a hard time imagining Mr Suzuki gets up to speed...hope I am wrong for Nando's sake. My prediction is that Alpine finishes lower this year than last in the WCC...leadership and budget seem to be more valuable than driver skill.
It's more like Herding sheep!Manoah2u wrote: ↑Wed Jan 13, 2021 1:08 pmas diffuser mentions, it's not neccesarily the case of 'getting up to speed', it's managing.Scorpaguy wrote: ↑Wed Jan 13, 2021 2:39 amI enjoy the differing opinions on threads as these...time will tell. I am having a hard time imagining Mr Suzuki gets up to speed...hope I am wrong for Nando's sake. My prediction is that Alpine finishes lower this year than last in the WCC...leadership and budget seem to be more valuable than driver skill.
And if I, as an outsider, look at how things have been going to the left and right throughout the F1 field in the past what, decade? then I tend to see some pretty 'expectable' results depending on who's 'at the helm'.
something that i 'recognise' is that in all cases, there's a big element of 'blame' culture, ego, and ABOVE ALL, standing like a tower above everything else: the absence of proper self-reflection and putting the blame on yourself.
'successfull' TP's - that doesnt mean that they have to win a GP btw - run the team as a team. When something goes wrong, they take the blame themselves just as much. Toto does that, Lauda does that, etc. They don't come up with lousy excuses, putting blame somewhere, like a lack of sponsors, a tire that goes, and above all, they stay professional.
I do not concider Abiteboul professional at all in that sense, the hostility between Abiteboul and RedBull was embarassing. It wasn't renault vs redbull, it was Abiteboul vs RedBull, and it was pretty sad. He should have stood high above that behaviour. If i recall, certain childish behaviour was present @ Caterham too, when they were beaten by Manor iirc.
The most important job for the TP is to have things running as a team, as a whole, seamlessly and glued.
Abiteboul tried to do that by egoistic and diva behaviour - this however is how i have experienced throughout the years, That it does NOT work on the LONG term, at all, and only causes friction. At best, the employees are 'pushed' to the limits of their acceptance of such behaviour, it does NOT mean they are pushed to the limits of their POTENTIAL.
I think 'mr Suzuki' is far more capable to guide people into the right direction, and have a gentle, unified spirit where people can flourish. And with that, they can be motivated to use the best of their potential, especially if everybody is motivated to do so, and there is no hostility, hostility suffocates lingering, unluckoed potential.
A side factor is that in this way, you suddenly will start seeing the people/elements that are not working in the chain.
Perhaps those people need a different form of or extra attention, or it turns out these are exactly the people who are holding back progress and as such need to be relieved or 'replaced'.
In more simple terms: i'd tend to lean towards Abiteboul being a guy that creates a 'tense, irritable and closed atmosphere, where every employee or department turns into a 'camp', and if i look at people like Brivio, then they fit much more into the people that creates unity and prosperity. Guys like Whitmarsh remind me of such characteristics, and looking at 'Mr Suzuki', i think he has that potential but also able to get the results they want: WINNING.
While that might make a nice Netflix episode I seriously doubt that is what happened. The best way to leave a project is to empower it so it reflects best on yourself. If you leave it in a worse state that doesn’t make you look any better.diffuser wrote: ↑Wed Jan 13, 2021 5:56 pmIt was known that Abiteboul was being moved to a less F1 centric job. My guess is he didn't like where he was being pushed. He tried to negotiate something better. When it became apparent that was NOT gonna happen he quit, to remove himself as the bridge to the new team he was going to be, in an effort to punish Alpine/Renault.
I agree it isn't something that a TP should do. Yet, If you read what Manoah2u said about Abiteboul, he describes those same traits. Abiteboul tends to hold a grudges.RedNEO wrote: ↑Wed Jan 13, 2021 8:14 pmWhile that might make a nice Netflix episode I seriously doubt that is what happened. The best way to leave a project is to empower it so it reflects best on yourself. If you leave it in a worse state that doesn’t make you look any better.diffuser wrote: ↑Wed Jan 13, 2021 5:56 pmIt was known that Abiteboul was being moved to a less F1 centric job. My guess is he didn't like where he was being pushed. He tried to negotiate something better. When it became apparent that was NOT gonna happen he quit, to remove himself as the bridge to the new team he was going to be, in an effort to punish Alpine/Renault.
I agree that he has the traits to act in such manner.diffuser wrote: ↑Wed Jan 13, 2021 8:45 pmI agree it isn't something that a TP should do. Yet, If you read what Manoah2u said about Abiteboul, he describes those same traits. Abiteboul tends to hold a grudges.RedNEO wrote: ↑Wed Jan 13, 2021 8:14 pmWhile that might make a nice Netflix episode I seriously doubt that is what happened. The best way to leave a project is to empower it so it reflects best on yourself. If you leave it in a worse state that doesn’t make you look any better.diffuser wrote: ↑Wed Jan 13, 2021 5:56 pmIt was known that Abiteboul was being moved to a less F1 centric job. My guess is he didn't like where he was being pushed. He tried to negotiate something better. When it became apparent that was NOT gonna happen he quit, to remove himself as the bridge to the new team he was going to be, in an effort to punish Alpine/Renault.
That's also how he went with RedBull, and how he even went initially with Daniel after him announcing his departure."I prefer things to be, if you are unhappy about something keep it between the person you are unhappy with, which he didn't do.
"He didn't keep it between me and him, he went public with it, and that's his way of doing things
verstappen on abiteboulif Otmar wants to build a claim against the FIA, that would be quite rich, keeping in mind that we know that they have an illegal car.
"We have accepted to settle that one. But if you want to have a go now at the FIA, I would find it quite ironic."
Abiteboul clearly has a reputation.“If he would concentrate a little bit more on his own team instead of moaning about me all the time, they would already be world champions
“That man is just frustrated."
Horner is very professional with his own team. I agree his dealing with Renault showed poor judgmentPlatinumZealot wrote: ↑Wed Jan 13, 2021 11:25 pmNo worse than what Horner did!
And certainly no worse than Alonso and Honda.