Agreed.
You could add... Sainz has also taken it to another level at Ferrari. Had Sainz stayed, all things being equal, McLaren would be in 3ird right now.
Agreed.
<spits on hand to shake>Change "would" to "could" and we're on the money </spitsonhand>
I think Sainz has been able to adapt to the Ferrari and frequently get more out of it, because he has gotten used to a tricky car.
Phillip thank you for replying to my post it is appreciated and glad we both learn't something from each other. I am happy to answer your other questions and points you just madePhillipM wrote: ↑Fri Nov 26, 2021 2:59 pmOh of course, but handing Daniel some sort of pass for being better than Norris in the second half of the season on the back of one win that they didn't race each other for because they didn't want to lose the 1-2 as per another teams collision on the same day, is rather a stretch, when you consider they deliberately settled for not racing each other that day. Given that gave him the extra points for the 'points' arguement and Norris literally just got screwed by a puncture after being well ahead of Daniel this weekend again.Ground Effect wrote: ↑Fri Nov 26, 2021 1:26 pm
To be fair, Daniel also said he could go quicker, with your team mate behind you, why push? Of course Lando could have raced him, but it’s unlikely he’d have gotten past, highly unlikely.
That Dan never radio'd back for help or to ask Norris to stay behind, is neither here nor there, why would he, it'd be the worlds weirdest request and he'd be ridiculed for it.
It's easy enough to remove that race as an outlier because you know they held station and then look at the respective performance in the second half of the season and see there's not a whole lot of change. Daniel definately got a lot more comfortable with the car but that's a far stretch from him being better than Norris in the second half.
of course you will not argue with facts i respect that from you and how honest you are. The fact is clear they were free to race at the restart and for at least 5 laps until Lando himself asked team orders for Dan speed it up. Its a fact. And Ric sped up by 7 tenths the following lap to help Norris from the Perez threat. Its a fact. Then Lando when out of DRS range himself suggested should he hold station which the team agreed. Its a fact. These are all facts yes. It was a fantastic 1,2 and very mature drive by both and Mclarens best result in a decade.. Its a fact alsoPhillipM wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 12:41 amI don't need to argue what went on at the race and why the team didn't radio etc - they didn't need to, Lando offered. People here already know I talk to a couple of people at Mclaren regular. I don't need to say any more on the matter. Daniel still isn't up to matching Lando, race win or not.
"It's not a fact, it's conjecture you're assuming because Lando asked on the radio later just to confirm it. " <-----PhillipM wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 1:11 amIt's not a fact, it's conjecture you're assuming because Lando asked on the radio later just to confirm it.
Have you not looked at it the other way that the reason Lando asked Daniel to speed up was so he didn't have to try to overtake Dan for the lead and risk a collision just to defend against Perez, when they could just take an easy 1-2 instead?
Like I said earlier, see what the team says, or even Ricciardo himself.
Nobody wanted to risk a 1-2 for a lead battle, and I respect Norris for standing with that even with the pace he's shown all year.
Not sure you can give him a passing grade when his team mate makes it to Q3 and he is knocked out in Q2.runningmanz wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 7:28 amPlanet f1 are a joke. Rated Ricciardo a 4/10 for the weekend with no mention of his fuel saving issues. He even managed to pass some cars and catch up to Leclerc while doing some fuel saving as noted on the radio comms. He was within 2-3 secs of Leclerc from lap 11 to 23 or so in 10th before he was forced to heavily save after the first pitstop, basically couldn't have deliberately driven much slower if he tried due to the sensor issue. I'd argue he was faster than Leclerc at that point but the fuel sensor issue obviously screwed him after that.
Pisspoor ignorant journalism.
https://www.planetf1.com/features/qatar ... r-ratings/
This is just another example of where ignorance and not taking a deep look into a race gives the perception to many that he drove poorly. Example he was on track at both Brazil and here at Qatar for a fine recovery drive yet its scuppered by technical issues out of his control. Things would be looking much more positive for Dan at this point without those issues. Again its a fine line between hero and zero and particularly annoying when its due to circumstances beyond the drivers control.
Bit unfair, it's not like noone has ever recovered from a lacklustre qualifying and made a very good recovery drive. Like I said he was back up to Leclerc by lap 11 and with fuel saving issues. He was arguably faster and without these issues most likely would have finished inside the top 10. Definitely worth at least a pass mark.diffuser wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 10:27 pmNot sure you can give him a passing grade when his team mate makes it to Q3 and he is knocked out in Q2.runningmanz wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 7:28 amPlanet f1 are a joke. Rated Ricciardo a 4/10 for the weekend with no mention of his fuel saving issues. He even managed to pass some cars and catch up to Leclerc while doing some fuel saving as noted on the radio comms. He was within 2-3 secs of Leclerc from lap 11 to 23 or so in 10th before he was forced to heavily save after the first pitstop, basically couldn't have deliberately driven much slower if he tried due to the sensor issue. I'd argue he was faster than Leclerc at that point but the fuel sensor issue obviously screwed him after that.
Pisspoor ignorant journalism.
https://www.planetf1.com/features/qatar ... r-ratings/
This is just another example of where ignorance and not taking a deep look into a race gives the perception to many that he drove poorly. Example he was on track at both Brazil and here at Qatar for a fine recovery drive yet its scuppered by technical issues out of his control. Things would be looking much more positive for Dan at this point without those issues. Again its a fine line between hero and zero and particularly annoying when its due to circumstances beyond the drivers control.
BTW it's not Journalism, it an opt ed (opinion piece).
I don't understand why some people on the Internet are often so argumentative these days.mwillems wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 11:07 pmThis Ricciardo chat keeps on rumbling. I'm scratch hing my head wo during what point anyone is trying to make? He had a bad start and then he had a better second half season.
Is he a bad driver, bad choice? No.
Did he didsapoint some folks? Yes.
Can that opinion be justified? Yes.
Does it mean he's a bad driver or that he will struggle next year? No.
If by and large everyone agrees with that, then I don't know what the point is of dissecting certain performances.
I'm not suggesting anyone can't or shouldn't, I just don't understand what the actual point is.