dave kumar wrote: ↑
Thu Sep 16, 2021 12:20 am
Rather than flag a post as ying-yang (as it's never one post that is responsible), members would be able to flag a thread as having entered a ying-yang state. If enough members flag a thread in a given time period, we cross a threshold or reach a quorum. Crossing the threshold may simply result in a change in the icon of the thread / background colour when viewing the thread, to warn potential readers and posters that we are entering ying-yang territory. Entering ying-yang state could also be used to bring the thread to the attention of the moderators who may wish to take further action.
It would be an interesting experiment to see if, when we make the ying-yang rating of a thread visible, whether seeing that rating increase is sufficient to make members refrain from prolonging an argument in that thread. Most of us probably would refrain if we knew that a majority of members were actively unhappy about the direction the thread had gone in. That's kind of how society works. You're aware of the opinions of those around you and try and conform, at least a little bit.
This is essentially a way to make the views of many members who are reading a thread, visible to the few that are posting most of the content. It is a way of making F1Tech's collective mind more tangible, instead of me just sitting here shaking my head as i read another inflammatory post.
Big Tea wrote: ↑
Thu Sep 16, 2021 6:14 pm
Mods, would it be very difficult to put a flag similar to the +- ones labelled something like troll bate and if more than a set number of 'hits' report it the poster is locked out of that thread ?
It would be easy for all to see who the culprit is (or considered to be) and not reply to future fishing expeditions?
I dont think downvotes work as there seem t be some who 'collect' downvotes
Good to see a proposal to improve this!
But, why wouldn't downvotes work for trolling? I mean, that was part of the point, even though you could perhaps argue that trolling could be reported instead.
I sort of like the idea of showing a warning banner on a topic to warn people of a certain toxicity. We can't currently base this on ratings as the race threads don't have rating enabled. So perhaps, for the forums where we don't have ratings, such a topic rating might be an option. Then again, using the total post ratings (or the number of downvotes) on posts in the topic might as well be a source of data, no?
The trouble with trolling is that it's usually not against the strict letter of the rules, and only ends up building frustration with others until it becomes unbearable. The suggested quick response is difficult to do here, as trolling isn't about just a few posts. However, for some people, a simple comment against another one's favourite driver is already considered trolling.
In any case, I will always support improving tools that allow every member to take part in the moderation. I'm very open to discuss whatever suggestions comes up!
Just_a_fan wrote: ↑
Thu Sep 16, 2021 9:15 am
flynfrog wrote: ↑
Thu Sep 16, 2021 3:02 am
Just a reminder you guys all have an ignore feature. You can make the handful of problem people just disappear.
If one ignores an annoying poster it doesn't make them go away. Their posts are still visible if they are quoted by someone else, for example. They also still affect the thread, they affect other's attitudes and responses, they affect the tone and how pleasant a thread is - others may respond to the sniping comments and we still end up with ruined threads.
I would respond to your point by saying: "Just remember that you mods can ban people. You can make the handful of problem people just disappear".
I agree the ignore function isn't the solution. In fact, it may slow down our response, as the ignoring users won't report the problems anymore. The result here will only your own peace of mind, while the forum itself might deteriorate. You'd also have these posts visible for mods and not-logged-in visitors.
Just_a_fan wrote: ↑
Thu Sep 16, 2021 10:39 am
Luckily, the Government isn't involved in F1Technical. Or is it? Steven?
The mods are the only government around here
Just_a_fan wrote: ↑
Thu Sep 16, 2021 2:33 pm
Do you know if other mods read race threads? Perhaps the "wild west" behaviour is because mods aren't present/active.
Not all the race threads, but at least for the last three, I read every single post that happened after the race. I know at least one other mod does so as well. And A LOT of action has been undertaken, with me frequently deleting posts within a minute of their posting. So it would be much worse if the mods wouldn't be around