2021 Qatar Grand Prix - Losail, Nov 19-21

For ease of use, there is one thread per grand prix where you can discuss everything during that specific GP weekend. You can find these threads here.
User avatar
dans79
245
Joined: Sun Mar 03, 2013 6:33 pm
Location: USA

Re: 2021 Qatar Grand Prix - Losail, Nov 19-21

Post

Yea, imo track temperatures by themselves don't mean much.

What matters is the overall thermal senario.
  1. track temperature
  2. ambient temperature
  3. humidity
  4. altitude
  5. track abrasiveness
  6. track grip
  7. energy put into the tires (traction zones, braking zones, vertical/lateral loads)
183 103 103 7

User avatar
ringo
197
Joined: Sun Mar 29, 2009 9:57 am

Re: 2021 Qatar Grand Prix - Losail, Nov 19-21

Post

Mercedes love the harder compound.
If its a night race its stable temperatures so easier to setup.
Strategy can win this. Maybe who undercuts who but also i dont think its easy to overtake here. Similiar to Barcelona.
Track position is king?

Take your blood pressure pills this weekend folks!!
For Sure!!

User avatar
dans79
245
Joined: Sun Mar 03, 2013 6:33 pm
Location: USA

Re: 2021 Qatar Grand Prix - Losail, Nov 19-21

Post

ringo wrote:
Tue Nov 16, 2021 4:54 am
Strategy can win this. Maybe who undercuts who but also i dont think its easy to overtake here. Similiar to Barcelona.
Track position is king?
I'm not overly impressed with the animation, and I think some of the turns in sectors 1 & 3 will be taken a lot faster than the animation shows.

In turns 10 through 15 you can probably follow decently close and maybe only loose a little time in 16. So the front strait might offer a lot of good overtaking opportunities assuming you don't lose a lot of time in the 4,5,6 complex.
183 103 103 7

User avatar
Bandit1216
18
Joined: Fri Oct 05, 2018 3:55 pm
Location: Netherlands

Re: 2021 Qatar Grand Prix - Losail, Nov 19-21

Post

I wonder whether hotter temp may get merc to get more out of the tires, yet less out of the engine. IMO the engine must be run hotter to get the extra power, but that might hurt them a bit more now.
But just suppose it weren't hypothetical.

oT v1
oT v1
0
Joined: Mon May 21, 2012 2:46 pm

Re: 2021 Qatar Grand Prix - Losail, Nov 19-21

Post

All the talk is about Merc engines at the moment but didn’t RBR blink first in going over allowance? Has Max taken any extra parts since?
The Power of Dreams

User avatar
NathanOlder
48
Joined: Fri Mar 02, 2012 9:05 am
Location: Kent

Re: 2021 Qatar Grand Prix - Losail, Nov 19-21

Post

Track temps are more important that air temps, and as its a night race, the track temps won't be sky high.
GoLandoGo
Lewis v2.0
King George has arrived.

New found love for GT racing with Assetto Corsa Competizione on PS5 & PC

User avatar
Big Tea
88
Joined: Sun Dec 24, 2017 7:57 pm

Re: 2021 Qatar Grand Prix - Losail, Nov 19-21

Post

NathanOlder wrote:
Tue Nov 16, 2021 11:18 am
Track temps are more important that air temps, and as its a night race, the track temps won't be sky high.
And track temp will fall as tyres get used up, then out with new tyres on a colder track.
Could be some juggling needed as minimum pressures are mandated (first set)
When arguing with a fool, be sure the other person is not doing the same thing.

scheffers
scheffers
12
Joined: Fri Feb 22, 2019 9:37 am

Re: 2021 Qatar Grand Prix - Losail, Nov 19-21

Post

oT v1 wrote:
Tue Nov 16, 2021 11:13 am
All the talk is about Merc engines at the moment but didn’t RBR blink first in going over allowance? Has Max taken any extra parts since?
RBR had to blink first because of the destroyed Silverstone engine..
In the end its the inheritance from their Mclaren time that gives the Merc's 'only' 5 grid places per ICE now..... Shame the FIA didn't grasp on this loophole before, recon this will surely be covered for next year.

User avatar
NathanOlder
48
Joined: Fri Mar 02, 2012 9:05 am
Location: Kent

Re: 2021 Qatar Grand Prix - Losail, Nov 19-21

Post

scheffers wrote:
Tue Nov 16, 2021 12:31 pm
oT v1 wrote:
Tue Nov 16, 2021 11:13 am
All the talk is about Merc engines at the moment but didn’t RBR blink first in going over allowance? Has Max taken any extra parts since?
RBR had to blink first because of the destroyed Silverstone engine..
In the end its the inheritance from their Mclaren time that gives the Merc's 'only' 5 grid places per ICE now..... Shame the FIA didn't grasp on this loophole before, recon this will surely be covered for next year.
Didn't Mercedes have an engine destroyed in an accident well before RedBull though ?
GoLandoGo
Lewis v2.0
King George has arrived.

New found love for GT racing with Assetto Corsa Competizione on PS5 & PC

User avatar
siskue2005
70
Joined: Fri May 11, 2007 8:50 pm

Re: 2021 Qatar Grand Prix - Losail, Nov 19-21

Post

scheffers wrote:
Tue Nov 16, 2021 12:31 pm
oT v1 wrote:
Tue Nov 16, 2021 11:13 am
All the talk is about Merc engines at the moment but didn’t RBR blink first in going over allowance? Has Max taken any extra parts since?
RBR had to blink first because of the destroyed Silverstone engine..
In the end its the inheritance from their Mclaren time that gives the Merc's 'only' 5 grid places per ICE now..... Shame the FIA didn't grasp on this loophole before, recon this will surely be covered for next year.
Nevertheless, nobody is stopping RBR to also take a 5 place penalty for Qatar and blast past everyone like Lewis did in Brazil....Max's engine must also be running on fumes, no way they can run it in full power for that many races.

User avatar
NathanOlder
48
Joined: Fri Mar 02, 2012 9:05 am
Location: Kent

Re: 2021 Qatar Grand Prix - Losail, Nov 19-21

Post

Does anyone know where to find the info on which engines the drivers have, and how many sessions they have been used for ?
GoLandoGo
Lewis v2.0
King George has arrived.

New found love for GT racing with Assetto Corsa Competizione on PS5 & PC

scheffers
scheffers
12
Joined: Fri Feb 22, 2019 9:37 am

Re: 2021 Qatar Grand Prix - Losail, Nov 19-21

Post

I recon only the teams know which engine from the pool is running where and when..

User avatar
godlameroso
307
Joined: Sat Jan 16, 2010 8:27 pm
Location: Miami FL

Re: 2021 Qatar Grand Prix - Losail, Nov 19-21

Post



This is what I expect the leader's race pace to be like at the start.
Saishū kōnā

oT v1
oT v1
0
Joined: Mon May 21, 2012 2:46 pm

Re: 2021 Qatar Grand Prix - Losail, Nov 19-21

Post

siskue2005 wrote:
Tue Nov 16, 2021 1:17 pm
scheffers wrote:
Tue Nov 16, 2021 12:31 pm
oT v1 wrote:
Tue Nov 16, 2021 11:13 am
All the talk is about Merc engines at the moment but didn’t RBR blink first in going over allowance? Has Max taken any extra parts since?
RBR had to blink first because of the destroyed Silverstone engine..
In the end its the inheritance from their Mclaren time that gives the Merc's 'only' 5 grid places per ICE now..... Shame the FIA didn't grasp on this loophole before, recon this will surely be covered for next year.
Nevertheless, nobody is stopping RBR to also take a 5 place penalty for Qatar and blast past everyone like Lewis did in Brazil....Max's engine must also be running on fumes, no way they can run it in full power for that many races.
True for the silverstone point, I forgot about that.

Siskue I think losail might be less favourable than São Paulo, in terms of passing options, but it’s always a risk being further back.
The Power of Dreams

User avatar
Shrieker
13
Joined: Mon Mar 01, 2010 10:41 pm

Re: 2021 Qatar Grand Prix - Losail, Nov 19-21

Post

I think this track needed 2 more DRS zones, for a total of 3. Between 10-12, and 15-16.

Having said that, it might be possible to take advantage of the track width to avoid dirty air, and keep it glued to the car up ahead.
Education is that which allows a nation free, independent, reputable life, and function as a high society; or it condemns it to captivity and poverty.
-Atatürk