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If successful It would mean perez' lead over hamilton is down to 20 points

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Juzh wrote:
Mon Nov 06, 2023 3:25 pm
If successful It would mean perez' lead over hamilton is down to 20 points
Depends on what the the penalty is. He finished well over 5 second in front of Russell. Gasly, was next, almost 30 seconds behind. So I doubt he'll get a 30 second penalty. The other thing is, they're allowed 3 warnings but they never got any warning so how does that play into it?

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diffuser wrote:
Mon Nov 06, 2023 4:26 pm
Juzh wrote:
Mon Nov 06, 2023 3:25 pm
If successful It would mean perez' lead over hamilton is down to 20 points
Depends on what the the penalty is. He finished well over 5 second in front of Russell. Gasly, was next, almost 30 seconds behind. So I doubt he'll get a 30 second penalty. The other thing is, they're allowed 3 warnings but they never got any warning so how does that play into it?
Haas's proposal is 18x 5 seconds added to his race time. That is eighteen 5 second penalties. He will be back at the race start in Japan when they are done counting :lol: . Since that is the only framework we have for the penalties, I can't see anything else applying.


Also iirc, Aston Martin got a lot of people hosed in Austria, and it didn't matter if you hadn't been warned. You got the penalties that the regs said you should have.

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The usual punishment for the offence of track limit breaches in a race includes warning, black and white flag and then the 5 second penalty. It would be stupidity to punish with any meaningful penalty without having warned! As a driver one can claim he never saw the white line due to visibility issues and if he was warned first time when he breached, he would have done course correction by changing lines to that corner. It would be unfair to punish them without a warning.
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Didn't something similar happen in Austria last year(2022)? With one of the Williams I believe?

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AR3-GP wrote:
Mon Nov 06, 2023 5:23 pm
diffuser wrote:
Mon Nov 06, 2023 4:26 pm
Juzh wrote:
Mon Nov 06, 2023 3:25 pm
If successful It would mean perez' lead over hamilton is down to 20 points
Depends on what the the penalty is. He finished well over 5 second in front of Russell. Gasly, was next, almost 30 seconds behind. So I doubt he'll get a 30 second penalty. The other thing is, they're allowed 3 warnings but they never got any warning so how does that play into it?
Haas's proposal is 18x 5 seconds added to his race time. That is eighteen 5 second penalties. He will be back at the race start in Japan when they are done counting :lol: . Since that is the only framework we have for the penalties, I can't see anything else applying.


Also iirc, Aston Martin got a lot of people hosed in Austria, and it didn't matter if you hadn't been warned. You got the penalties that the regs said you should have.

That was funny. I had a good laugh.

Didn't AMR report it after the race ? Unlike Haas here that have waited 3 weeks? Plus those drivers in Austria had already been warned.? Anyways, interested on how they rule. Getting tired of these track limits. They should find some standard curb height and width that would destabilise a car significantly to deter them from using the track side.

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Problem is...how far do you go with these??

How long is it going to be before someone says they missed out on a Q2 or Q3 appearance because of a missed track limits?

Im sure page 63/86 of the international sporting code says its only after 30mins of the classification. https://www.fia.com/regulation/category/123

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FIA appoints F1 Commissioner to help lead improvements

The FIA has appointed an F1 Commissioner to help with its strategies and improvements in grand prix racing, Motorsport.com has learned.

Former F1 journalist Dieter Rencken, who has been working as an advisor to FIA president Mohammed Ben Sulayem for several months,
will take up the role with immediate effect.

It is understood that Rencken will report directly to Ben Sulayem, and he has been tasked with assisting in the formulation
and implementation of improvements for F1 on behalf of the governing body. The FIA is a separate organisation to F1's commercial rights holders FOM.

He will furthermore help with discussions over the framing of the new Concorde Agreement, the document by which F1 is run,
which is expected to come into force in 2026.

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Why Klaus Schwab running F1 now? 🧐

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Huge news. GM as an engine supplier is big & a better deal than Ford which will only do the battery side of the Red Bull Powertrains !

This is great. F1 need more teams. Hope BMW & Toyota also join 1 day & we have 13 great teams with so many OEMs. Many drivers are not getting a chance. Teams like Haas can then get their deserved 13th place & we will have Alpha Tauri, Haas, Williams in the Bottom 3 (hopefully) & atleast 10 teams linked to some OEM (chassis or engine wise) !

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Does this mean that Andretti has to find an engine partner for the seasons from 2025 - 2027?

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skoop wrote:
Tue Nov 14, 2023 4:01 pm
Does this mean that Andretti has to find an engine partner for the seasons from 2025 - 2027?
Yes and Alpine doesn't seem to be interested anymore now that they know Andretti is just using them as a placeholder.

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AR3-GP wrote:
Tue Nov 14, 2023 5:23 pm
skoop wrote:
Tue Nov 14, 2023 4:01 pm
Does this mean that Andretti has to find an engine partner for the seasons from 2025 - 2027?
Yes and Alpine doesn't seem to be interested anymore now that they know Andretti is just using them as a placeholder.
I agree, think this makes it harder for them to come in for 2026. nobody is gonna want to be their stop gap.

I'm not sure how long it will take GM to catch up after all the other PU manufacturers have 2 years of real world data.

to be honest, none of the teams want Andretti. Maybe GM can end up with McLaren or Williams? The only remaining non works teams.

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Mr.S wrote:
Tue Nov 14, 2023 3:21 pm
Huge news. GM as an engine supplier is big & a better deal than Ford which will only do the battery side of the Red Bull Powertrains !
I'm still sceptical ford will end up doing anything other than having naming rights for the engine.