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GrizzleBoy wrote:
Sun Nov 13, 2022 9:28 pm
No, he had no chance of making the corner at the speed and angle he was travelling at.

Simple as that.
Agree to disagree :)
And they call it a stall. A STALL!

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Vanja #66 wrote:
Sun Nov 13, 2022 9:33 pm
GrizzleBoy wrote:
Sun Nov 13, 2022 9:28 pm
No, he had no chance of making the corner at the speed and angle he was travelling at.

Simple as that.
Agree to disagree :)
It's literally what happened on camera and was just explained in detail exactly how I have by Karun on sky pad just now.

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Sky is biased since forever and you are free to accept the end of discussion
And they call it a stall. A STALL!

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Vanja #66 wrote:
Sun Nov 13, 2022 9:39 pm
Sky is biased since forever and you are free to accept the end of discussion
Problem with your argument is that he literally played frame by frame the incident and showed and explained why Max was not actually on course to make the corner properly.

You're a man of numbers Vanja.

The speed on entry was too high and the angle of approach did not promote adequate ability to rotate the car through the corner.

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RZS10 wrote:
Sun Nov 13, 2022 9:31 pm
in this case the decision doc is really a great summary of what happened
Damn straight, the decision document sums it up perfectly.

Then to add to it, the fact that Max said, post-race, that he only drove into that space because he expected Hamilton to close the door is especially damning. I think you can call that 'causing a deliberate incident' which maybe should be penalized even more severely.

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GrizzleBoy wrote:
Sun Nov 13, 2022 10:01 pm
Vanja #66 wrote:
Sun Nov 13, 2022 9:39 pm
Sky is biased since forever and you are free to accept the end of discussion
Problem with your argument is that he literally played frame by frame the incident and showed and explained why Max was not actually on course to make the corner properly.

You're a man of numbers Vanja.

The speed on entry was too high and the angle of approach did not promote adequate ability to rotate the car through the corner.
Irrelevant providing he makes the corner within the track limits and leave adequate room on the side for the other car.
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chrisc90 wrote:
Sun Nov 13, 2022 10:46 pm
GrizzleBoy wrote:
Sun Nov 13, 2022 10:01 pm
Vanja #66 wrote:
Sun Nov 13, 2022 9:39 pm
Sky is biased since forever and you are free to accept the end of discussion
Problem with your argument is that he literally played frame by frame the incident and showed and explained why Max was not actually on course to make the corner properly.

You're a man of numbers Vanja.

The speed on entry was too high and the angle of approach did not promote adequate ability to rotate the car through the corner.
Irrelevant providing he makes the corner within the track limits and leave adequate room on the side for the other car.
Going in too hot and at the wrong angle with reference to the racing line is quite relevant if it causes a collision.

2022 F1 cars don't do what Max would've needed his car to do in order to both stay side by side and make that corner.

His trajectory was pointing off of the opposite side of the track, as apposed to rotating through the corner and he still kept his foot in.

With all the telemetry and angles the stewards have, it's obviously clear to them that Maxs move was not on.

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He went in there at a higher speed than Lewis despite being on the inside line which would require him to go slower to make a "safe" overtake, the safe part being a requirement under the racing guidelines.

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https://www.fia.com/sites/default/files ... car_44.pdf
The Stewards determined that Verstappen attempted to pass Hamilton on the outside
of turn 1 by braking very late. He did not complete the pass in Turn 1 and his excess
speed compromised his entry into turn 2, at which point he made contact with
Hamilton.
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dans79 wrote:
Sun Nov 13, 2022 11:34 pm
https://www.fia.com/sites/default/files ... car_44.pdf
The Stewards determined that Verstappen attempted to pass Hamilton on the outside
of turn 1 by braking very late. He did not complete the pass in Turn 1 and his excess
speed compromised his entry into turn 2, at which point he made contact with
Hamilton.
So pretty much what the vast majority here have seen too. HAM could have left more space, which would have been no problem for him to do. If VER gone in too hot, he would have understeered straight on and looked like a right muppet.
It’s got so many shades of Silverstone about it but protagonist and antagonist are the other way around. Even the stewards wording is eerily similar 😂

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101FlyingDutchman wrote:
Sun Nov 13, 2022 11:55 pm
So pretty much what the vast majority here have seen too. HAM could have left more space, which would have been no problem for him to do. If VER gone in too hot, he would have understeered straight on and looked like a right muppet.
It’s got so many shades of Silverstone about it but protagonist and antagonist are the other way around. Even the stewards wording is eerily similar 😂
I think it's interesting Max has admitted he treats Hamilton differently on track. We've seen it this year, and how he races differently against Leclerc versus how he did with Hamilton last year. Last year there was a WDC at stake, but today it's much harder to explain it away so easily. What makes Hamilton so different from the 19 other drivers? 🤔

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west52keep64 wrote:
Mon Nov 14, 2022 12:05 am
101FlyingDutchman wrote:
Sun Nov 13, 2022 11:55 pm
So pretty much what the vast majority here have seen too. HAM could have left more space, which would have been no problem for him to do. If VER gone in too hot, he would have understeered straight on and looked like a right muppet.
It’s got so many shades of Silverstone about it but protagonist and antagonist are the other way around. Even the stewards wording is eerily similar 😂
I think it's interesting Max has admitted he treats Hamilton differently on track. We've seen it this year, and how he races differently against Leclerc versus how he did with Hamilton last year. Last year there was a WDC at stake, but today it's much harder to explain it away so easily. What makes Hamilton so different from the 19 other drivers? 🤔
Maybe it is the other driver that struggles?
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west52keep64 wrote:
Mon Nov 14, 2022 12:05 am
What makes Hamilton so different from the 19 other drivers? 🤔
Several things, including a few that can't be mentioned here.
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chrisc90 wrote:
Mon Nov 14, 2022 12:09 am
west52keep64 wrote:
Mon Nov 14, 2022 12:05 am
101FlyingDutchman wrote:
Sun Nov 13, 2022 11:55 pm
So pretty much what the vast majority here have seen too. HAM could have left more space, which would have been no problem for him to do. If VER gone in too hot, he would have understeered straight on and looked like a right muppet.
It’s got so many shades of Silverstone about it but protagonist and antagonist are the other way around. Even the stewards wording is eerily similar 😂
I think it's interesting Max has admitted he treats Hamilton differently on track. We've seen it this year, and how he races differently against Leclerc versus how he did with Hamilton last year. Last year there was a WDC at stake, but today it's much harder to explain it away so easily. What makes Hamilton so different from the 19 other drivers? 🤔
Maybe it is the other driver that struggles?
Struggles with what? Overtaking? Crashing in to people? The stats don't support that. There must be something else 🤔

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west52keep64 wrote:
Mon Nov 14, 2022 12:12 am
chrisc90 wrote:
Mon Nov 14, 2022 12:09 am
west52keep64 wrote:
Mon Nov 14, 2022 12:05 am


I think it's interesting Max has admitted he treats Hamilton differently on track. We've seen it this year, and how he races differently against Leclerc versus how he did with Hamilton last year. Last year there was a WDC at stake, but today it's much harder to explain it away so easily. What makes Hamilton so different from the 19 other drivers? 🤔
Maybe it is the other driver that struggles?
Struggles with what? Overtaking? Crashing in to people? The stats don't support that. There must be something else 🤔
Maybe they see each other as the only ones on their level, truly capable of challenging and beating the other person. For sports people that have such a yearning to be the best, finding an “equal” is hard to take