2022 Alpine F1 Team

This forum contains threads to discuss teams themselves. Anything not technical about the cars, including restructuring, performances etc belongs here.
Chanman141
Chanman141
0
Joined: Tue Jul 12, 2016 11:54 am

Re: 2022 Alpine F1 Team

Post

Shame for Ocon that he had a brake issue, Alo great quali at p5

User avatar
diffuser
168
Joined: Fri Sep 07, 2012 12:55 pm
Location: Montreal

Re: 2022 Alpine F1 Team

Post

AR3-GP wrote:
Sat Oct 01, 2022 1:15 am
All that’s going to happen next season is that every good performance of Ocon or Gasly, one will wonder where the extra 1-2 tenths of Alonso would have placed the car. Especially if Alpine are nipping at the heels of Mercedes.
Especially in the rain. Then again, if Alpine is fighting with Merc and Aston is no where .... who will suffer the most?

AR3-GP
AR3-GP
97
Joined: Tue Jul 06, 2021 12:22 am

Re: 2022 Alpine F1 Team

Post

Chanman141 wrote:
Sat Oct 01, 2022 3:11 pm
Shame for Ocon that he had a brake issue, Alo great quali at p5
"brake issue" :wink:

User avatar
diffuser
168
Joined: Fri Sep 07, 2012 12:55 pm
Location: Montreal

Re: 2022 Alpine F1 Team

Post

Not the race to have a double DNF.

Michelangelo
Michelangelo
0
Joined: Sun Aug 01, 2021 4:35 pm

Re: 2022 Alpine F1 Team

Post

And with Mclaren's 4th-5th jumping Alpine in standings.

Alonsismo
Alonsismo
6
Joined: Sun Mar 20, 2022 7:02 pm
Location: Italy

Re: 2022 Alpine F1 Team

Post

They should had changed Alonsos engine at monza.

basti313
basti313
25
Joined: Sat Feb 22, 2014 1:49 pm

Re: 2022 Alpine F1 Team

Post

diffuser wrote:
Sat Oct 01, 2022 12:16 pm
basti313 wrote:
Fri Sep 30, 2022 8:15 am
djos wrote:
Fri Sep 30, 2022 3:32 am
Honestly Ringo, Alpine under Rossi seem to be a real basket case. He’s clearly not the right man to be running the team IMO, especially when you consider his background and what he’s done since taking over.

Yes he’s hired a couple of good ppl (eg Otmar), but pushing out quality ppl like Marcin and Alain is just stupid!
Rossi is a very, very classic French manager. And also very, very classic career with an MBA and then the consulting...I had these managers, I was working with them.
I do not think this usual type of management can work in F1 on the long term. Completely different from the success story of Merc for example.
Andres125sx wrote:
Fri Sep 30, 2022 7:15 am


If you assume Piastri is such a poor driver he´ll be destroyed by Lando, then it doesn´t matter what team he´s at, his career will be quite short anycase
I do not see a chance to be honest, same story as Ricciardo and also fitting the Ham and Ver story:
- Both Ham and Ver knew the car inside out. They were driving it in tests or they were driving the sim over years joining the development. Verstappen had the AlphaTauri which was very similar in 2015 to the RB11. They had similar or more miles on the track as the driver whom they joined.
- On the other hand we saw two moves lately where although there was a rule change, the driver who joined "cold" is struggling...Vettel and Ricciardo...maybe even add Perez.

That Piastri will beat Lando....in a car that he does not know, with a different engine after not driving for a year? Hmmm....
Andres125sx wrote:
Fri Sep 30, 2022 7:15 am
That´s perfectly clear for all of us now, but please reply this question...
Do you think any driver from any F1 era will keep on the 10th team of the grid when he can sign in with 4-5th team?

Your only argument to criticize this move is you think he´s not good enough for McLaren. Ok, but all drivers think they´re good enough for Mercedes and RBR. Few are correct, but that is perfectly normal, if they fail, they fail, but that is exactly what any driver is looking for, an opportunity on a good team
I think the bet is good. Alpine is profiting from being a works team now. McLaren is struggling on not being a works team. On the long run McLaren will be stronger.
BUT as before...in Alpine he can destroy Ocon. At Williams this would be super difficult as well...similar to McLaren.

So I 100% understand that:
- He did not want to go to Willi, biggest risk he can take for his career.
- He wanted to go rather to McLaren and struggle with Lando on a competitive basis than maybe loosing out at Williams at the end of the field.
- He did not have the free Alpine seat on his view.
So tell me, since the Merc PU hasn't changed shape in the last 3 years, how is that hurting McLaren?
??? It strongly changed this year. They completely redid the packing for the nopods and more Ethanol request different cooling.

maxxer
maxxer
1
Joined: Mon May 13, 2013 11:01 am

Re: 2022 Alpine F1 Team

Post

didnt look like a brake issue , lots of smoke from engine

User avatar
Andres125sx
164
Joined: Tue Aug 13, 2013 9:15 am
Location: Madrid, Spain

Re: 2022 Alpine F1 Team

Post

Another great race for Alonso wich finished with a DNF due to Alpine disastrous reliability... what a mess of a team

User avatar
factory_p
17
Joined: Thu Jul 28, 2016 9:04 am

Re: 2022 Alpine F1 Team

Post

maxxer wrote:
Sun Oct 02, 2022 9:16 pm
didnt look like a brake issue , lots of smoke from engine
Brake issues were mentioned for Ocon's poor quali. In the race it looks like a PU issue for me too.

User avatar
diffuser
168
Joined: Fri Sep 07, 2012 12:55 pm
Location: Montreal

Re: 2022 Alpine F1 Team

Post

basti313 wrote:
Sun Oct 02, 2022 9:12 pm
diffuser wrote:
Sat Oct 01, 2022 12:16 pm

So tell me, since the Merc PU hasn't changed shape in the last 3 years, how is that hurting McLaren?
??? It strongly changed this year. They completely redid the packing for the nopods and more Ethanol request different cooling.
Cooling isn't part of the PU. Customer teams get the cooling requirements and design their own cooling.

No sure what they changed for the ethanol (probably mapping maybe combustion chamber) but it didn't change the shape of the PU.

Now they're completely frozen for 3 years.

User avatar
diffuser
168
Joined: Fri Sep 07, 2012 12:55 pm
Location: Montreal

Re: 2022 Alpine F1 Team

Post

Interested to hear what the failure was in the PU and if they can fix it for the next PU. Doudt it but you can never tell until you know what it is. Wonder if it had something to do with the rain. Fernando's and Ocon's fail;ure looked different? Big puff of smoke came out of Ocon. Not sure about Alonso. It just shut off.

User avatar
diffuser
168
Joined: Fri Sep 07, 2012 12:55 pm
Location: Montreal

Re: 2022 Alpine F1 Team

Post

Andres125sx wrote:
Mon Oct 03, 2022 7:10 am
Another great race for Alonso wich finished with a DNF due to Alpine disastrous reliability... what a mess of a team
There are 5 teams that are more of a mess and still, by the end of the season, there could be 6. Lot of teams are a mess. Guess only 1 team isn't a mess ?

User avatar
diffuser
168
Joined: Fri Sep 07, 2012 12:55 pm
Location: Montreal

Re: 2022 Alpine F1 Team

Post

Surprising that Alpine is STILL going ahead with the Alpine A110 ALONZO, apparently they're all sold.

Don't take it to the track though, the PU shuts off on lap21 ! :lol:

AR3-GP
AR3-GP
97
Joined: Tue Jul 06, 2021 12:22 am

Re: 2022 Alpine F1 Team

Post

diffuser wrote:
Mon Oct 03, 2022 4:40 pm
Surprising that Alpine is STILL going ahead with the Alpine A110 ALONZO, apparently they're all sold.

Don't take it to the track though, the PU shuts off on lap21 ! :lol:
Why not? Alonso is a legend for Renault. The car is no less desireable if he doesn't drive for them.