Williams FW44

A place to discuss the characteristics of the cars in Formula One, both current as well as historical. Laptimes, driver worshipping and team chatter do not belong here.
F1_CoolFan
F1_CoolFan
0
Joined: 23 Feb 2022, 13:28

Re: Williams FW44

Post

Tombola37 wrote:
23 Feb 2022, 15:36
I heard a pundit years ago state that using large amounts of flow via can indicate problems with correlation from tunnel to track. Is there any truth in this? Hoping for a good year for Williams. Car looks good.
Possible there is some truth to this, but they're probably looking at the integration of the entire aero package and how it works/flows together more that there's an issue. Who knows I guess

User avatar
jumpingfish
53
Joined: 26 Jan 2019, 16:19
Location: Ru

Re: Williams FW44

Post

Tombola37 wrote:
23 Feb 2022, 15:36
I heard a pundit years ago state that using large amounts of flow via can indicate problems with correlation from tunnel to track. Is there any truth in this? Hoping for a good year for Williams. Car looks good.
It sounds quite logically, because when I saw this photo, my first thought was: "Looks like they need to look at the flows, but don't they see them at the factory?"

User avatar
Mr Brooksy
15
Joined: 21 Feb 2014, 22:47
Location: Australia

Re: Williams FW44

Post

jumpingfish wrote:
23 Feb 2022, 15:40
Tombola37 wrote:
23 Feb 2022, 15:36
I heard a pundit years ago state that using large amounts of flow via can indicate problems with correlation from tunnel to track. Is there any truth in this? Hoping for a good year for Williams. Car looks good.
It sounds quite logically, because when I saw this photo, my first thought was: "Looks like they need to look at the flows, but don't they see them at the factory?"
I would imagine on the first session on the first day of testing it's probably more to do with checking real world correlation vs any kind of issue... But with our luck over the past half decade... Who knows!
WilliamsF1 fan since 1989

NtsParadize
NtsParadize
15
Joined: 11 May 2017, 21:17
Location: France

Re: Williams FW44

Post

Tombola37 wrote:
23 Feb 2022, 15:36
I heard a pundit years ago state that using large amounts of flow via can indicate problems with correlation from tunnel to track. Is there any truth in this? Hoping for a good year for Williams. Car looks good.
Yes.
Image

paulo_f1
paulo_f1
5
Joined: 15 Oct 2015, 15:34

Re: Williams FW44

Post

They could be in trouble, who knows at this stage. The pecking order and who's direction is right/wrong will probably not be 100% clear until the Bahrain GP is done and dusted, it may take even longer for the full picture to emerge.

What is clear is this is testing, and the first day of a completely new and very complex rule change. Every car is covered in aero rakes and flow vis, you just have to look at all the car threads to see it. What you want to know is does the air go where the CFD and tunnel says it does, do the components interact the way they should in the real world.

Personally, I'd wait and see what the times look like at the end of the test, plus what the teams key people say, before jumping to any wild speculative conclusions...

User avatar
PlatinumZealot
550
Joined: 12 Jun 2008, 03:45

Re: Williams FW44

Post

The flow structures to the bodywork are much simpler than last year so they should not be in trouble design wise. Possibly just checking correlation to wind tunnel.
🖐️✌️☝️👀👌✍️🐎🏆🙏

User avatar
continuum16
49
Joined: 30 Nov 2015, 17:35
Location: Kansas

Re: Williams FW44

Post

I don't think there's cause for alarm when the team runs a lot of flow-vis on the first day of testing. In 2018, they were still doing that at the mid-season test in Hungary, by which point it became clear that they had a very poor understanding of their car's aerodynamics and that their correlation was way way off. If I remember, the 2018 Williams was supposed to be a "downforce beast" in the simulations but as we saw on track it was a mess. If the team are still running full flow-vis in three months we should be concerned.
"You can't argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience"
- Mark Twain

GrizzleBoy
GrizzleBoy
33
Joined: 05 Mar 2012, 04:06

Re: Williams FW44

Post

How do you check flow separation/direction/strength/deflection/etc in a brand new aero regulation formula to know of you even have correlation issues without looking at the flow?

atheonr
atheonr
9
Joined: 11 May 2017, 16:43

Re: Williams FW44

Post

Looks like there is a hole in the middle of the sidepod.

Image

User avatar
Moctecus
144
Joined: 28 Oct 2015, 13:08
Location: Germany

Re: Williams FW44

Post

AMuS

Image

Image

Image

Image

Image
Last edited by Moctecus on 23 Feb 2022, 22:18, edited 1 time in total.

User avatar
jjn9128
769
Joined: 02 May 2017, 23:53

Re: Williams FW44

Post

can we post sources with images so we know who they belong to?!
#aerogandalf
"There is one big friend. It is downforce. And once you have this it’s a big mate and it’s helping a lot." Robert Kubica

User avatar
Moctecus
144
Joined: 28 Oct 2015, 13:08
Location: Germany

Re: Williams FW44

Post

AMuS finally captured a good picture of the vent panel from behind

Image

User avatar
godlameroso
309
Joined: 16 Jan 2010, 21:27
Location: Miami FL

Re: Williams FW44

Post

Image

Very bluff floor.
Saishū kōnā

tomazy
tomazy
205
Joined: 10 Jan 2006, 13:01

Re: Williams FW44

Post

EDIT duplicate picture from above... Just imagine how small the sidepods would of been without the upper aero part :o :shock:

User avatar
west52keep64
51
Joined: 16 Sep 2021, 00:05

Re: Williams FW44

Post

Moctecus wrote:
23 Feb 2022, 18:27
AMuS finally captured a good picture of the vent panel from behind

https://i.imgur.com/Kg9Meei.jpg
I'm struggling to understand how this hole is legal?