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cplchanb wrote:
08 Jun 2022, 14:45
Ferrari spent millions on developing this modular nose concept yet they haven't made any changes to the nose yet. The only changes are the wing profiles which can be done freely on any nose. Is this one of the waste of money features that they shouldn't have delved into??
Millions? It’s just a vanity cover over the crash structure.

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mclaren111 wrote:
08 Jun 2022, 15:02
cplchanb wrote:
08 Jun 2022, 14:45
Ferrari spent millions on developing this modular nose concept yet they haven't made any changes to the nose yet. The only changes are the wing profiles which can be done freely on any nose. Is this one of the waste of money features that they shouldn't have delved into??

Why should they change it ?
well they spent so much money to make the nose so that they could change the front section without new crash testing... but so far they havnt touched it.,..seems like a waste of development funds


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chrisc90 wrote:
05 Jun 2022, 12:53
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Andi76 wrote:
05 Jun 2022, 07:41
Don't know if this information was already posted, but i do not remember that i have this already...

There was a lot of talk about the Ferrari Power Unit and now there rumour is that Ferrari went for a smaller turbo. This means higher RPM what gives them better performance in terms of response and acceleration but also a disadvantage in Topspeed. True or not - this clearly shows again why some peoples claims and conclusions about aerodynamic efficiency/drag levels of different designs because of Topspeed only make zero sense.
I think a smaller turbocompressor means faster spooling up but less efficient (more power needed for a certain pressure/flow output from the compressor). So smaller turbo should have a better response. A small compressor certainly can make good flow/pressure (so engine power) but is less efficient doing so.

But acceleration of a car is Force vs Weight (F = m x a). As all teams approx know the masses of other cars, it’s the acceleration (after rear wheel grip limitation phase) where the teams compare the power with other engines from GPS data. The achieved top speed on a straight and final acceleration phase to get there are much more depending on drag than anything else.
Do F1 cars have a motor on the shaft to keep the turbo fully spooled? Sure ive seen something similar before
Indeed.

The turbo acts more like a supercharger in the low rpm range in this engine because of the motor on the turbo shaft. If I understand correctly, the turbo shaft mounted motor is a multi-tasker acting as an accelerator for the turbo (aka supercharger), regular turbo booster, and then also a harvester of energy during downshifting/braking.

If you scroll through some of the engine pages here at F1 Technical, folks have posted very detailed drawings of different interpretations of this supercharger like turbo set up, and they are very insightful, fwiw.
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cplchanb wrote:
09 Jun 2022, 04:55
mclaren111 wrote:
08 Jun 2022, 15:02
cplchanb wrote:
08 Jun 2022, 14:45
Ferrari spent millions on developing this modular nose concept yet they haven't made any changes to the nose yet. The only changes are the wing profiles which can be done freely on any nose. Is this one of the waste of money features that they shouldn't have delved into??

Why should they change it ?
well they spent so much money to make the nose so that they could change the front section without new crash testing... but so far they havnt touched it.,..seems like a waste of development funds


https://scuderiafans.com/f1-ferrari-f1- ... e-concept/

Maybe it's working so well there's no need to change it...

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Ferrari displaying the same wing they used for most races, Red Bull and Mercedes on the same wing they were at Miami (lower drag).
No word on the mythical low drag wing.

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Judging by the size and stickers location, it seems like this is the Miami wing and not yet the low DF wing, it's likely, just like in Barcelona, they get the car ready for scrutineering with the old floor and then move on to the new floor (replace floor with wing for Baku).

Baku is a track in which both low DF and higher DF can work, in fact if you car can deal with it you want as much DF as you can to protect the tyres for race. From the wing profile I doubt there will be much top speed difference in the race, although maybe DRS will favor RB a bit still.

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Looks like RedBull has the biggest upper flap. Does that mean that they also got the strongest DRS effect, when the wing opens?

And sure you try to have as much downforce as possible. It's all about the drag level you can get away without being a sitting duck on the straights and without sacrificing laptime for it.

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I'm surprised Ferrari haven't discarded that Miami spec wing already, the weak DRS hampers them significantly in qualifying and in the race. I sure hope they don't have to use it.

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New mirror supports.

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Didn't they have the blow-thru mirrors previously? 🤔

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Zynerji wrote:
09 Jun 2022, 14:38
Didn't they have the blow-thru mirrors previously? 🤔

on further investigation:

Monaco picture with comparable angle
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Comparison of shapes
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The shape close to the inboard mount is different now. New one is straighter until the point at which it fixes with a sharper turn from horizontal to vertical, whereas previous inboard mirror strut was smoother in that transition from horizontal to vertical.
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A better view.