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organic wrote:
20 Oct 2022, 18:49
Why invest into this area if the interpretation is gone next season?
Knowledge is power, they might have already thought about a way to work around the changes for next year. Thus any knowledge they gain this year will be beneficial over the winter.
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organic wrote:
20 Oct 2022, 18:36


Interesting... Another interpretation at the front wing that goes against the intentions of the regs. Surely this will be outlawed for next season just as their cutout endplates have been? These would serve similar purpose to how the flap adjustors have been exploited but taking it to the extreme I think

Are they claiming the VGs are the uppermost FW flap supports (like the metal rings used elsewhere)? Is that how it's potentially legal?
Are you not allowed only 8 separators per side?

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BlueCheetah66 wrote:
20 Oct 2022, 20:43
organic wrote:
20 Oct 2022, 18:36

Interesting... Another interpretation at the front wing that goes against the intentions of the regs. Surely this will be outlawed for next season just as their cutout endplates have been? These would serve similar purpose to how the flap adjustors have been exploited but taking it to the extreme I think

Are they claiming the VGs are the uppermost FW flap supports (like the metal rings used elsewhere)? Is that how it's potentially legal?
Are you not allowed only 8 separators per side?
Your right...
3.9.8 Front Wing Auxiliary Components
The following components will be permitted in addition to the Front Wing Assembly for
primarily mechanical, structural or measurement reasons:
a. Up to three brackets which define the pivot axis of the FW Flap, and allow the
necessary movement. These brackets must:
i. be in their entirety within 40mm of the FW Flap, per side of the car, over the
whole range of adjustment.
ii. be no more than 5mm thick. A fillet radius no greater than 2mm will be
permitted where these brackets join the two profiles.
iii. have no dimension that exceeds 80mm.
b. Up to eight slot gap separator brackets, per side of the car, which connect consecutive
FW Profiles. These brackets must:

i. be in their entirety within 40mm of both of the two profiles they support in
relation to each other.
ii. be no more than 6mm thick. A fillet radius no greater than 2mm will be
permitted where these brackets join the two profiles.
iii. have no dimension that exceeds 70mm.

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chrisc90 wrote:
20 Oct 2022, 20:57
BlueCheetah66 wrote:
20 Oct 2022, 20:43
organic wrote:
20 Oct 2022, 18:36

Interesting... Another interpretation at the front wing that goes against the intentions of the regs. Surely this will be outlawed for next season just as their cutout endplates have been? These would serve similar purpose to how the flap adjustors have been exploited but taking it to the extreme I think

Are they claiming the VGs are the uppermost FW flap supports (like the metal rings used elsewhere)? Is that how it's potentially legal?
Are you not allowed only 8 separators per side?
Your right...
3.9.8 Front Wing Auxiliary Components
The following components will be permitted in addition to the Front Wing Assembly for
primarily mechanical, structural or measurement reasons:
a. Up to three brackets which define the pivot axis of the FW Flap, and allow the
necessary movement. These brackets must:

i. be in their entirety within 40mm of the FW Flap, per side of the car, over the
whole range of adjustment.
ii. be no more than 5mm thick. A fillet radius no greater than 2mm will be
permitted where these brackets join the two profiles.
iii. have no dimension that exceeds 80mm.
b. Up to eight slot gap separator brackets, per side of the car, which connect consecutive
FW Profiles. These brackets must:

i. be in their entirety within 40mm of both of the two profiles they support in
relation to each other.
ii. be no more than 6mm thick. A fillet radius no greater than 2mm will be
permitted where these brackets join the two profiles.
iii. have no dimension that exceeds 70mm.
Tbf I think 2 of them are actually classed under the bold section

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BlueCheetah66 wrote:
20 Oct 2022, 21:15

Tbf I think 2 of them are actually classed under the bold section
It begs me to ask whether the support at the aluminium section where the wing is 'split' also count towards those support brackets. I mean their sole purpose is to provide support, whilst the other main function is to allow the wing to flex at speed....surely?

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chrisc90 wrote:
20 Oct 2022, 21:20
BlueCheetah66 wrote:
20 Oct 2022, 21:15

Tbf I think 2 of them are actually classed under the bold section
It begs me to ask whether the support at the aluminium section where the wing is 'split' also count towards those support brackets. I mean their sole purpose is to provide support, whilst the other main function is to allow the wing to flex at speed....surely?
It's either legal and got signed off on by the FIA, or its something that will only be run in free practice for testing purposes. They are extremely visible, so its not like they will fly under the radar of other teams!
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They remind me of the mirror supports. They are in the box, yes, but...
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Further looking into it, I think you can have 11 in total.

3.9.8 Front Wing Auxiliary Components
The following components will be permitted in addition to the Front Wing Assembly for
primarily mechanical, structural or measurement reasons:
a. Up to three brackets which define the pivot axis of the FW Flap, and allow the
necessary movement. These brackets must:
i. be in their entirety within 40mm of the FW Flap, per side of the car, over the
whole range of adjustment.
ii. be no more than 5mm thick. A fillet radius no greater than 2mm will be
permitted where these brackets join the two profiles.
iii. have no dimension that exceeds 80mm.

b. Up to eight slot gap separator brackets, per side of the car, which connect consecutive
FW Profiles. These brackets must:
i. be in their entirety within 40mm of both of the two profiles they support in
relation to each other.
ii. be no more than 6mm thick. A fillet radius no greater than 2mm will be
permitted where these brackets join the two profiles.
iii. have no dimension that exceeds 70mm


Id presume part A is the 3 supports that come off the lower plane of the wing (attached to the nose cone) That appears to be the pivot point for the remaining 3 flaps above it.

Which leaves the up to 8 option to be determined on the flaps higher up. Of course it depends whether the split is classed as slot gap separators for the FW profiles/flaps

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organic wrote:
20 Oct 2022, 18:49
Why invest into this area if the interpretation is gone next season?
Probably been in pipepline a lot before the ban announcement, so why not bring it. Its far from detrimental in any case
And they call it a stall. A STALL!

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Those floor edges are very, very interesting. Quite complex, too... must have had lots and lots of data/engineering to come out that way.
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organic wrote:
20 Oct 2022, 18:36


Interesting... Another interpretation at the front wing that goes against the intentions of the regs. Surely this will be outlawed for next season just as their cutout endplates have been? These would serve similar purpose to how the flap adjustors have been exploited but taking it to the extreme I think

Are they claiming the VGs are the uppermost FW flap supports (like the metal rings used elsewhere)? Is that how it's potentially legal?
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