2022 Monaco Grand Prix - Monte Carlo, May 27 - 29

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organic wrote:
09 Jun 2022, 12:53
https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/f1-c ... /10318845/

Confirmation of pit exit rule change
Again they have to change the rules retrospectively to avoid taking action on something during the race. They're so desperate to avoid things being decided after the end of the race that you can pretty much do whatever you like in the last few laps now to win as you're not going to get penalised.

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bonjon1979 wrote:
09 Jun 2022, 14:58
organic wrote:
09 Jun 2022, 12:53
https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/f1-c ... /10318845/

Confirmation of pit exit rule change
Again they have to change the rules retrospectively to avoid taking action on something during the race. They're so desperate to avoid things being decided after the end of the race that you can pretty much do whatever you like in the last few laps now to win as you're not going to get penalised.
The did not need to. They can just acknowledge that there was unfortunate wording in the regulations which let this incident go unpunished, and update the regulations to avoid this going unpunished in the future.

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The ruling is fine. It's to stop cars doing a version of "unsafe release" onto the race track. Yeah, but what if no cars are there you may ask, but remember at the pit exit there are not any mechanics there watching what's coming up the road, so this "unsafe release" rule has to apply at all times.
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TimW wrote:
09 Jun 2022, 15:57
bonjon1979 wrote:
09 Jun 2022, 14:58
organic wrote:
09 Jun 2022, 12:53
https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/f1-c ... /10318845/

Confirmation of pit exit rule change
Again they have to change the rules retrospectively to avoid taking action on something during the race. They're so desperate to avoid things being decided after the end of the race that you can pretty much do whatever you like in the last few laps now to win as you're not going to get penalised.
The did not need to. They can just acknowledge that there was unfortunate wording in the regulations which let this incident go unpunished, and update the regulations to avoid this going unpunished in the future.
It was much clearer before. Touch the line. Penalty. Now it's the whole wheel has to cross the line which is much more difficult to monitor which is why the rule was how it was in the first place...ah well...let's see how the rest of the season plays out, consistency is king.

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bonjon1979 wrote:
09 Jun 2022, 16:13
TimW wrote:
09 Jun 2022, 15:57
bonjon1979 wrote:
09 Jun 2022, 14:58


Again they have to change the rules retrospectively to avoid taking action on something during the race. They're so desperate to avoid things being decided after the end of the race that you can pretty much do whatever you like in the last few laps now to win as you're not going to get penalised.
The did not need to. They can just acknowledge that there was unfortunate wording in the regulations which let this incident go unpunished, and update the regulations to avoid this going unpunished in the future.
It was much clearer before. Touch the line. Penalty. Now it's the whole wheel has to cross the line which is much more difficult to monitor which is why the rule was how it was in the first place...ah well...let's see how the rest of the season plays out, consistency is king.
So if a car in the exit lane has a tyre almost but not quite over the line, and a car on the track has a tyre almost but not quite over the line, they would both be fine, except for the 20 inch overlap ? :mrgreen:
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Big Tea wrote:
09 Jun 2022, 17:19
bonjon1979 wrote:
09 Jun 2022, 16:13
TimW wrote:
09 Jun 2022, 15:57


The did not need to. They can just acknowledge that there was unfortunate wording in the regulations which let this incident go unpunished, and update the regulations to avoid this going unpunished in the future.
It was much clearer before. Touch the line. Penalty. Now it's the whole wheel has to cross the line which is much more difficult to monitor which is why the rule was how it was in the first place...ah well...let's see how the rest of the season plays out, consistency is king.
So if a car in the exit lane has a tyre almost but not quite over the line, and a car on the track has a tyre almost but not quite over the line, they would both be fine, except for the 20 inch overlap ? :mrgreen:
The car on track has no obligation regarding the line, of course they rely on the fact that the car coming out of the pits has to stay within the line.

If you need to pass someone at pit exit, say in brasil where it happens all the time, it helps the driver to be able to rely on the line itself as the safe area and not try to guess if the driver coming out is going to attempt to cross-but-not-with-the-whole-tire the line.

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organic wrote:
09 Jun 2022, 13:50
TimW wrote:
09 Jun 2022, 13:48
organic wrote:
09 Jun 2022, 12:53
https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/f1-c ... /10318845/

Confirmation of pit exit rule change
c) Except in cases of force majeure (accepted as such by the Stewards), any tyre of a car exiting the pitlane must not cross any line painted on the track at the pit exit for the purpose of separating cars leaving the pitlane from those on the track.
I wonder how they will achieve this purpose while allowing tires to cross the line....
:mrgreen: indeed. I eagerly await someone in the pitlane using their tyre (over the line) to impede someone on the racing line - probably has to be a leader, or it'll just be brushed under the rug as per
I always thought the painted line was dumb. Just extend the fencing, they won't be crossing that... Maybe make the part that is now a painted line more see-through.

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mzso wrote:
09 Jun 2022, 17:48
organic wrote:
09 Jun 2022, 13:50
TimW wrote:
09 Jun 2022, 13:48



I wonder how they will achieve this purpose while allowing tires to cross the line....
:mrgreen: indeed. I eagerly await someone in the pitlane using their tyre (over the line) to impede someone on the racing line - probably has to be a leader, or it'll just be brushed under the rug as per
I always thought the painted line was dumb. Just extend the fencing, they won't be crossing that... Maybe make the part that is now a painted line more see-through.
Eh, have you seen what regularly happens with those bollards that sometimes are placed near the pit entry/exit for such a purpose? Even those are sometimes an issue, so anything more solid is a disaster waiting to happen. And a line is easily moved/extended/shortened if needed.

And in addition, on a real street circuit, anything that needs to be bolted onto the surface is a lot more expensive and troublesome than a painted line, which can be re-painted with little effort.

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Big Tea wrote:
09 Jun 2022, 17:19
bonjon1979 wrote:
09 Jun 2022, 16:13
TimW wrote:
09 Jun 2022, 15:57


The did not need to. They can just acknowledge that there was unfortunate wording in the regulations which let this incident go unpunished, and update the regulations to avoid this going unpunished in the future.
It was much clearer before. Touch the line. Penalty. Now it's the whole wheel has to cross the line which is much more difficult to monitor which is why the rule was how it was in the first place...ah well...let's see how the rest of the season plays out, consistency is king.
So if a car in the exit lane has a tyre almost but not quite over the line, and a car on the track has a tyre almost but not quite over the line, they would both be fine, except for the 20 inch overlap ? :mrgreen:
Couldn't be clearer! Now you'll have cars squeezing the pit exit, which was surely the intention of the rule after all!

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FIA open to investigating Perez's Monaco crash if complaint is made

The FIA says it would be prepared to investigate whether or not Sergio Perez deliberately crashed in Formula 1's Monaco Grand Prix qualifying if a formal complaint is made.
https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/fia- ... /10401761/

This would probably fit better in the "Monaco Gate 2022" thread, but it was closed for some reason.
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Cant see anything EVER coming off that unless it was a open admission from the team.

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Makes no sense to me. It’s not like he was locking out being in P1 at the time.

He seemed to try for a better exit at the sacrifice of corner speed and got giddy on the throttle.

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Was he trying to get more rotation with a dab of the throttle?