I guess it's news cause of the people involved but nothing has changed from the Alpine F1 point of view. It's the same 24% of Alpine F1. The group is just spread over more people now.Holm86 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 17, 2023 5:50 pmSeems like a joke, but it isn't
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PU bad at altitude imo.JordanMugen wrote: ↑Fri Nov 03, 2023 10:54 pmWhere is the pace? It seems Alpine-Renault's in-season development has been very poor, unless I'm mistaken?
Alpine-Renault had two cars in the top 8 in COTA, didn't they? Within striking distance of the likes of McLaren, Ferrari and Mercedes? What has gone so wrong since then with falling backwards instead of gaining more on the leaders?
Alonso finished 5th last year. Ocon 8th.AR3-GP wrote: ↑Fri Nov 03, 2023 11:28 pmPU bad at altitude imo.JordanMugen wrote: ↑Fri Nov 03, 2023 10:54 pmWhere is the pace? It seems Alpine-Renault's in-season development has been very poor, unless I'm mistaken?
Alpine-Renault had two cars in the top 8 in COTA, didn't they? Within striking distance of the likes of McLaren, Ferrari and Mercedes? What has gone so wrong since then with falling backwards instead of gaining more on the leaders?
2022 PU was fine. It's the 2023 PU that doesn't have as much as the others.diffuser wrote: ↑Sat Nov 04, 2023 6:20 amAlonso finished 5th last year. Ocon 8th.AR3-GP wrote: ↑Fri Nov 03, 2023 11:28 pmPU bad at altitude imo.JordanMugen wrote: ↑Fri Nov 03, 2023 10:54 pmWhere is the pace? It seems Alpine-Renault's in-season development has been very poor, unless I'm mistaken?
Alpine-Renault had two cars in the top 8 in COTA, didn't they? Within striking distance of the likes of McLaren, Ferrari and Mercedes? What has gone so wrong since then with falling backwards instead of gaining more on the leaders?
He's probably heading to the WEC program with Alpine so not this time
Alpine did change their piston rings in the off season. I don't remember for sure but I don't think Honda or Merc made many changes in the off season.
I also think they aren't as fuel efficient as others. They're always carrying more fuel weight than others.Enstone wrote: ↑Sat Nov 04, 2023 1:33 pmThere's cooling issues... which has been a problem since the start of the year and which is being tested in a new layout for 2024. This system is a parachute and penalizes the team on the straights. (in addition to the deficit of 15-20hp from the PU).
Famin has told that even on the integration there's work to do for next year with a new gearbox !
P6 this year the badest result since a while... this Rossi management period was a real waste of time, money, and pilots looking at how Piastri is delivering
Merc was reported to have made double digit gains in the off season and they also resolved their high altitude weakness. As for Honda, they made continued refinement of the ERS system.
By definition, ERS is limited to 160HP, so your gains are gonna be on efficiency. Also, they're biggest impediment to making any changes is that Alpine has to approve them as "reliability" updates. The FIA really depend on the PU Manufacturers to police each other. So you're changes there were probably software related. Why would Honda be taking $$$ from the 2026 project to help RBR who dropped them? Remember Honda owns the IP. That's hardware and software. RBR can't touch that PU. That and Honda moved everybody out of the project in 2021. They brought some back for the 2026 project but alot of the people have changed. They, like most, just have maintaining engineering staff left on the current PU. Pretty sure that the PU budget is capped now. Just don't remember when the CAP went into effect. If it is in effect, spending money from the 2026 project to make improvements on a dead project isn't wise. That's probably why Alpine want the fuel increase, it doesn't steal resources from the 2026 project.AR3-GP wrote: ↑Sat Nov 04, 2023 2:40 pmMerc was reported to have made double digit gains in the off season and they also resolved their high altitude weakness. As for Honda, they made continued refinement of the ERS system.
I won't give up on this
We have discussed this at length! The manufacturers have been driving london buses through the regulations and Renault approved it! It's not all about 2026. Manufacturers still want to win NOW. Remember that the engine development is budget capped and manufacturers had more resources than that already:diffuser wrote: ↑Sat Nov 04, 2023 5:27 pmBy definition, ERS is limited to 160HP, so your gains are gonna be on efficiency. Also, they're biggest impediment to making any changes is that Alpine has to approve them as "reliability" updates. The FIA really depend on the PU Manufacturers to police each other. So you're changes there were probably software related. Why would Honda be taking $$$ from the 2026 project to help RBR who dropped them? Remember Honda owns the IP. That's hardware and software. RBR can't touch that PU. That and Honda moved everybody out of the project in 2021. They brought some back for the 2026 project but alot of the people have changed. They, like most, just have maintaining engineering staff left on the current PU. Pretty sure that the PU budget is capped now. Just don't remember when the CAP went into effect. If it is in effect, spending money from the 2026 project to make improvements on a dead project isn't wise. That's probably why Alpine want the fuel increase, it doesn't steal resources from the 2026 project.
RB pays Honda for services. That's why Honda still work for them. Also, what Honda learn now on the track benefits 2026. RB is helping them as much as they help RB."In terms of power and performance, we may not improve anything, but in other areas we can also make strides with this engine. At Ferrari, for example, they have developed the engine considerably and Mercedes' ERS system (Energy Recovery, ed.) is also very strong. We will also improve our engine for next year in terms of its longevity. So there is definitely something in the pipeline," Watanabe informed.
