2023 Azerbaijan Grand Prix - Baku, April 28 - 30

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basti313 wrote:
25 Apr 2023, 15:15
AR3-GP wrote:
25 Apr 2023, 14:10
basti313 wrote:
25 Apr 2023, 13:25

Well, different approaches and of course: No one forces you to watch the Sprint. Just feel free to do so.

I do not watch FPs anymore...

And by the way:

This is simply not true.
You have very little spectators on Fridays or Saturdays for the FP sessions. This even goes to "no one" if you look at races like Saudi and Baku is not far from this. Even the classics in Europe have many empty seats on Saturdays. Monza has on average half of the spectators on Sunday, half on Friday plus Saturday. This is a huge difference.
You also have practically no free TV coverage of FP sessions and even some pay TV stations do not cover FPs.

The opposite is true...most fans do not care about anything but the race. For them nothing changes, besides they can watch two races.


So...for which sprint race so far was this true? If I see it correctly there is only one Race that was one by the Sprint winner? Imola last year with a wet Sunday...I would not call this "not interesting"....
Russell won the sprint and the race in Brazil.

It was clear that RB would struggle on tires after the spring in Austria. Took about the same amount of laps on Sunday for Verstappen to be caught.
Thanks for pointing to Brazil. Still, I do not think Rus could have won the race like this without the crash of Ver and Ham.

And for Austria...for the full Spring Lec had a gap of 2sec to Ver. I do not see where you read it that it was a clear struggle. It was said so by Marco, something you usually take with a pinch of salt. I can not see where the Sprint made the race less interesting.
The only reason Charles didn't win the sprint in the first place is because of Carlos Sainz (if you can blame Russell winning in Brazil GP on Ver/Hamilton fight, then I can blame Verstappen winning in Austria sprint on the Lec/Sai fight).

Also regarding Brazil, even if Russell didn't win, it would be a Mercedes that won on both days. RB was not quick enough at any point. Horrible tire degradation in the sprint and the race.

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That makes my head hurt.

What is a shoot out?

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PlatinumZealot wrote:
25 Apr 2023, 10:39
@mwendis The same people that will watch seven matches of a basketball final, and hundreds of the "same" football matches per year are complainijg about two race formats on a given weekend aren't they?
I think it brings a different challenge for the teams when it's a sprint weekend, especially with the changes made to the format. The teams that have the cars roughly in the right performance window won't have much to do to finesse the setup. The teams that don't ? Pressure is on. As for tyres? I think a bit of mystery as to tyre performance is no bad thing.

Moaning before you've seen something in action is a bit silly. It may or may not work, but it'll be fun to see how it unfolds. I do like the weekends as they are, but it gets a bit stale especially over a long season. So adding in a sprint race at certain tracks is a good idea to liven things up a bit.

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AR3-GP wrote:
25 Apr 2023, 18:02
That makes my head hurt.

What is a shoot out?
short qualifying session i think ?

and it seems they want softs not to be used until q3 so there can be unexpected swings in performance between teams as they change compound right at the end.

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organic wrote:
25 Apr 2023, 18:11
AR3-GP wrote:
25 Apr 2023, 18:02
That makes my head hurt.

What is a shoot out?
short qualifying session i think ?

and it seems they want softs not to be used until q3 so there can be unexpected swings in performance between teams as they change compound right at the end.
but won't the softs get used in FP1?
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BREAKING:

Formula 1 reporter http://NU.nl
More news: Per driver, four ICEs, Turbos, MGU-Hs and MGU-Ks can now be used per season. That was three. #F1

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Wouter wrote:
25 Apr 2023, 18:12
BREAKING:

More news: Per driver, four ICEs, Turbos, MGU-Hs and MGU-Ks can now be used per season. That was three. #F1

Is this effective immediately?

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AR3-GP wrote:
25 Apr 2023, 18:13
Wouter wrote:
25 Apr 2023, 18:12
BREAKING:

More news: Per driver, four ICEs, Turbos, MGU-Hs and MGU-Ks can now be used per season. That was three. #F1

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Is this effective immediately?
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He uses the word "nu" which means now/at this moment, so from now on.
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It's so fascinating to see in real time F1 literally making things up as they go, in so many regards.

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AR3-GP wrote:
25 Apr 2023, 18:17
It's so fascinating to see in real time F1 literally making things up as they go, in so many regards.
Guess which manufacturer had the most failures so far! :lol:

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mendis wrote:
25 Apr 2023, 10:51
Despite all our complaints, we are addicted to F1. So we will anyway watch it from Friday to Sunday, every single race, whatever that content is. :lol:
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So true :lol: :lol:

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Wouter wrote:
25 Apr 2023, 18:15
AR3-GP wrote:
25 Apr 2023, 18:13
Wouter wrote:
25 Apr 2023, 18:12
BREAKING:

More news: Per driver, four ICEs, Turbos, MGU-Hs and MGU-Ks can now be used per season. That was three. #F1

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Is this effective immediately?
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He uses the word "nu" which means now/at this moment, so from now on.
https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/arti ... Mtjj0.html

F1 mentions it as well.
with approval given to increase the number of internal combustion engine (ICE), turbocharger, MGU-H and MGU-K elements for 2023 only from three to four.

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If the PU are frozen, what is the solution to 2024 which will likely have even more GPs and sprint races.

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AR3-GP wrote:
25 Apr 2023, 20:09
If the PU are frozen, what is the solution to 2024 which will likely have even more GPs and sprint races.
They will simply move the goalpost.

Domenicalli will point at 2023 and say that 4 engines rather than 3 was a success and now that there is so much more engine capacity, there should be no reason that every GP can't be a sprint! :D