Not covered on broadcast afaik
I agree. They were both driving recklessly and ultimately one of them ended up in the wall in a nasty incident.TFSA wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2023 4:26 pmIf anyone could see the crash coming from miles away, then it wasn't a racing incident. That's a clear sign of two drivers driving recklessly.Matt2725 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2023 12:57 pmHe wasn't the only one. A number of ex-drivers were calling it a racing incident or at the very least leaning that way.
The 10 second penalty was whatever, it didn't ruin the result so it matters not. The only reason they took action was because of who it was, not what happened. Anyone with a few brain cells saw that crash coming from T2 onwards on that lap.
I know a lot of people clamour for 2021 to return, but it got far too ugly for my liking.
Doesn't really work that way. You have to look an incidents in isolation. You can't just excuse Driver A for causing an incident, because Driver B at some other arbitrary point in the race (including the previous corner if necessary) was pushing the boundaries.Matt2725 wrote: ↑Fri Dec 01, 2023 10:51 pmI agree. They were both driving recklessly and ultimately one of them ended up in the wall in a nasty incident.
But because they were both pushing the boundaries, that is why I've always fallen on the side of racing incident. Either way of them could have come unstuck up that point.
As it is, it makes no difference and to my mind, the "right" driver won the WDC anyway.
Alpine sporting director needs to be sacked. Gasly was hit twice on that day and no penalties.
but perez +5 ahahahahah, meanwhile classic hamilton low-key ruins gasly's race by killing his diffuser and not a word. and people say verstappen is immune to penalties
At no point is gasly anywhere else other than apex of the corner and just becuase he's talking it a bit slower (and we're talking very minor difference) than usual doesnt excuse hamilton running into him. Hamilton basically predicted gasly will not be able to stop the car and went for a divebomb, but because gasly recovered the car nicely and doesnt actually have to run wide at all hamilton is steaming in too fast and hits him. So it was a clear mistake by hamilton that ruined a competitiors race while he got off scot free. By now we've seen numerous times that in ground effect era any damage, no matter how slight it is, related to the underfloor and/or diffuser area will have a big consequence and in many cases will destroy your race. Meanwhile damage to front wings seem to have almost negligible effect on cars performance nowadays.Mogster wrote: ↑Sun Dec 03, 2023 3:30 pmIf Gasly had taken the corner normally and Hamilton had given him the chrome horn… in NASCAR parlance… then I’m sure Hamilton would have been given a penalty.
However, Gasly locked up and in recovering slowed in an unpredictable manner. That caused Hamilton to run into him. Both cars took damage. Racing incident.
Agree, and, more importantly, so did the stewards. Just the anti-Ham’s of the world still sadly bringing this up over a week later. As for the incident on lap 1, there was barely any contact.
I never really dived into the incident, because i assumed it was a racing incident with Gasly locking up.Mogster wrote: ↑Sun Dec 03, 2023 3:30 pmIf Gasly had taken the corner normally and Hamilton had given him the chrome horn… in NASCAR parlance… then I’m sure Hamilton would have been given a penalty.
However, Gasly locked up and in recovering slowed in an unpredictable manner. That caused Hamilton to run into him. Both cars took damage. Racing incident.
Can we please stop the whole bias accusation thing, and instead be allowed to analyze incidents on their own merit?