2023 Abu Dhabi Grand Prix - Yas Marina, Nov 24 - 26

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organic wrote:
Fri Nov 24, 2023 2:12 pm
search wrote:
Fri Nov 24, 2023 2:11 pm
not the first one hitting a bump, though. Looks like the teams didn't expect the track to be this bumpy.
Someone told me a few days ago that the track was "as smooth as a billiard table" :lol: :lol: :lol:
Billiard tables have a hole at each corner and one half way down each straight :twisted:
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Ferrari looking good.

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Some comments I agree with:
SKY is stirring up the pot again! They think it is a problem when Max is doing it but when Alonso is doing it everything is just fine.
You are allowed to go slow between pit exit and SC line 2, but you have to keep to the left so quicker cars can pass on the right.
So Max was in his right and the Mercs and the Alpine should have kept to the left.
All these people commenting that it’s dangerous 😂😂 they’re doing like 10mph there 🤦‍♂️
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Only long runs we had

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Wouter wrote:
Fri Nov 24, 2023 3:59 pm
SKY is stirring up the pot again! They think it is a problem when Max is doing it but when Alonso is doing it everything is just fine.

As an Alonso fan surely you'd be happy with that.

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Wouter wrote:
Fri Nov 24, 2023 3:59 pm
All these people commenting that it’s dangerous 😂😂 they’re doing like 10mph there 🤦‍♂️
Even at 10mph the rear wheels coming into contact will split the cars apart violently.

I think the whole thing is a mess caused by old morons who come up with the rules. No driver is at fault either way.

What a stupid scenario we have here

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Wouter wrote:
Fri Nov 24, 2023 3:59 pm

You are allowed to go slow between pit exit and SC line 2, but you have to keep to the left so quicker cars can pass on the right.
So Max was in his right and the Mercs and the Alpine should have kept to the left.
Nonsense, they can drive where they like, it would be reasonable to just let someone who is that impatient go by.

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Big Tea wrote:
Fri Nov 24, 2023 3:45 pm
Billiard tables have a hole at each corner and one half way down each straight :twisted:
Arguably not. A Billiards table, as opposed to a snooker or pool table, has no pockets at all. :wink:
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mzivtins wrote:
Fri Nov 24, 2023 4:21 pm
I think the whole thing is a mess caused by old morons who come up with the rules. No driver is at fault either way.

What a stupid scenario we have here
Why not a simple rule that in both the pitlane, pit exit and race track you have to drive at a normal racing speed or close to it, as if it was in the race? :)

I.e., no dawdling to lower your tyre pressures. Go out of the garage only when you intend to actually go.

Same for coming back to the pits, that should be at normal speed as if it was during the race, no dawdling to save the tyres for later.

Forget the exact deltas (because that means going slow can be alternated with going flat out to get the exact time), just make it at the steward's discretion. It's obvious when a car is not travelling at normal racing speed around the pit exit, out lap, in lap and pit entry.

mzivtins wrote:
Fri Nov 24, 2023 4:21 pm
No driver is at fault either way.
How so? Surely it is on the drivers and teams to only go out of the garage when they intend to drive at normal racing speed.

No going slow to drop the tyre pressures! Make it clear cut. No gaming the minimum tyre pressure rules.

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Pat Pending wrote:
Fri Nov 24, 2023 5:58 pm
Big Tea wrote:
Fri Nov 24, 2023 3:45 pm
Billiard tables have a hole at each corner and one half way down each straight :twisted:
Arguably not. A Billiards table, as opposed to a snooker or pool table, has no pockets at all. :wink:
#pedantantryrules
You are of course correct. Sign of a mis-spent youth :mrgreen:
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JordanMugen wrote:
Fri Nov 24, 2023 6:29 pm
mzivtins wrote:
Fri Nov 24, 2023 4:21 pm
I think the whole thing is a mess caused by old morons who come up with the rules. No driver is at fault either way.

What a stupid scenario we have here
Why not a simple rule that in both the pitlane, pit exit and race track you have to drive at a normal racing speed or close to it, as if it was in the race? :)

I.e., no dawdling to lower your tyre pressures. Go out of the garage only when you intend to actually go.

Same for coming back to the pits, that should be at normal speed as if it was during the race, no dawdling to save the tyres for later.

Forget the exact deltas (because that means going slow can be alternated with going flat out to get the exact time), just make it at the steward's discretion. It's obvious when a car is not travelling at normal racing speed around the pit exit, out lap, in lap and pit entry.

mzivtins wrote:
Fri Nov 24, 2023 4:21 pm
No driver is at fault either way.
How so? Surely it is on the drivers and teams to only go out of the garage when they intend to drive at normal racing speed.

No going slow to drop the tyre pressures! Make it clear cut. No gaming the minimum tyre pressure rules.
To be fair, they mostly go slow to create a gap, not for tyre pressure.

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organic wrote:
Fri Nov 24, 2023 4:14 pm
Only long runs we had

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F_tUVEMWQAA ... &name=orig
all those also didn't pit for refuelling, they did their longer runs on the same fuel level as the hot lap before.

Any idea what exactly makes them 3-4s slower? Different modes, energy etc. all plays a part of course, but it feels like a big time loss for cars running at the same weight as (or actually lower than) before.

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Oleo wrote:
Fri Nov 24, 2023 5:37 pm
Wouter wrote:
Fri Nov 24, 2023 3:59 pm

You are allowed to go slow between pit exit and SC line 2, but you have to keep to the left so quicker cars can pass on the right.
So Max was in his right and the Mercs and the Alpine should have kept to the left.
Nonsense, they can drive where they like, it would be reasonable to just let someone who is that impatient go by.
Yes but not too slowly.

At least not in qualifying.

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search wrote:
Fri Nov 24, 2023 11:19 pm
organic wrote:
Fri Nov 24, 2023 4:14 pm
Only long runs we had

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F_tUVEMWQAA ... &name=orig
all those also didn't pit for refuelling, they did their longer runs on the same fuel level as the hot lap before.

Any idea what exactly makes them 3-4s slower? Different modes, energy etc. all plays a part of course, but it feels like a big time loss for cars running at the same weight as (or actually lower than) before.
They would not be opening drs for one

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TFSA wrote:
Fri Nov 24, 2023 11:27 pm
Oleo wrote:
Fri Nov 24, 2023 5:37 pm
Wouter wrote:
Fri Nov 24, 2023 3:59 pm

You are allowed to go slow between pit exit and SC line 2, but you have to keep to the left so quicker cars can pass on the right.
So Max was in his right and the Mercs and the Alpine should have kept to the left.
Nonsense, they can drive where they like, it would be reasonable to just let someone who is that impatient go by.
Yes but not too slowly.

At least not in qualifying.
Unnecessarily slowly, so in a train or to create a gap seems fine.