Alpine A524

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Actually you can see the exhaust pipe plunging directly towards the engine here (top left), while it went upwards in '22... so yes the '24 pipe must be straighter to reduce losses & maximize power, & it must pass below the modified & more forward suspension assembly* (blue)...

*it seems the 2024 pullrod has moved forward in other pictures

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Blackout wrote:
10 Feb 2024, 15:55
Actually you can see the exhaust pipe plunging directly towards the engine here (top left), while it went upwards in '22... so yes the '24 pipe must be straighter to reduce losses & maximize power, & it must pass below the modified & more forward suspension assembly* (blue)...

*it seems the 2024 pullrod has moved forward in other pictures

https://i.imgur.com/x0c2rjY.jpeg
This ties in with Harmann's comment about minimizing the cooling of the exhaust piping.

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It ties more with his quote "we integrated the tail pipe into the suspension carrier around the transmission, basically to straighten it, to reduce the pressure drop across it..."

Cooling the tail pipe has no bad effect AFAIK. He was rather talking about the 3 pipe manifolds in the sidepods that feed the turbine. Cooling those (or overcooling them :?: *) is definitely bad for engine perf.

* viewtopic.php?p=1183426#p1183426

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The bottom two images have the exhaust placed exactly central to engine crankshaft location, clutch and gearbox primary shafts always exist in that position.

I don't think that extrapolation can be relied upon to show anything tangible.

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Farnborough wrote:
10 Feb 2024, 16:57
The bottom two images have the exhaust placed exactly central to engine crankshaft location, clutch and gearbox primary shafts always exist in that position.

I don't think that extrapolation can be relied upon to show anything tangible.
It's a quick and exaggerated sketch to underline the differences, so it's not meant to be precise. :lol:
But it's not that wrong. Look at those gearbox casings that house the turbine or even a full turbo, and you'll see that the exit pipe is millimeters away from the shafts, clutch, suspensions etc
And look at the Mclaren and especially RB casing and pipe...

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K1Plus wrote:
10 Feb 2024, 15:31
MtthsMlw wrote:
10 Feb 2024, 15:27
Closer view I found on Twitter
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GF-d39sakAA ... &name=orig
@jh0nny07
They look like McLaren L shaped2011 sidepods, albeit inverted and mixed with a RB19 style letterbox.
Was just about to say that, they do, perhaps Mac`s sidepods from then would work now?

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AMuS says "The new chassis & gearbox are cut in a V-shape at the bottom, the monocoque is longer, & the gbox is shorter"
I dont know what they mean for the monocoque "V", but regarding the gbox, maybe they mean Alpine narrowed it down like some recent Ferrari & RB gbox casings...
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It seems Alpine raised that section of the monocoque and fuel tank area, where the fuel hatch is, indicated by the arrows and red color.
So if Alpine made that part fatter, then the monocoque must have become slimmer elsewhere.
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Blackout wrote:
18 Feb 2024, 13:58
AMuS says "The new chassis & gearbox are cut in a V-shape at the bottom, the monocoque is longer, & the gbox is shorter"
I dont know what they mean for the monocoque "V", but regarding the gbox, maybe they mean Alpine narrowed it down like some recent Ferrari & RB gbox casings...
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GGm_qdRWcAA ... name=large
Is this one Alpine ? It looks like Ferrari installation....impressive non the less and illustrative of just how tightly packed the suspension is in there.

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It's red so it must be Life Racing Engines.

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Package without louvers :