General Honda F1 Topic

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Re: General Honda F1 Topic

Post by etusch » Tue Apr 16, 2019 10:00 am

mzso wrote:
Tue Apr 16, 2019 9:15 am
Snorked wrote:
Mon Apr 15, 2019 3:46 pm
My dream would be to see Honda taking 1-4 in Monaco :mrgreen: =D>
etusch wrote:
Mon Apr 15, 2019 4:28 pm
That is something we can not help to stop thinking. Monaco lock up.
That's quite the dream. Seeing as RB is weaker than it was last year and Toro was never good enough to be the second fastest car on any track.

If you guys are so optimistic about the Honda power increase rumors why not dream about a 1-4 in Monza or Spa?
It is obvious that Honda is in better condition. Redbull is not fully optimised yet. But still a good chassis. Toro Rosso uses last years chassis. So one is potential winner this year and other is almost same with last years winner. It is a possiblity with best weekend for both team.

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Re: General Honda F1 Topic

Post by Stef » Tue Apr 16, 2019 10:59 am

mzso wrote:
Tue Apr 16, 2019 9:15 am
Snorked wrote:
Mon Apr 15, 2019 3:46 pm
My dream would be to see Honda taking 1-4 in Monaco :mrgreen: =D>
etusch wrote:
Mon Apr 15, 2019 4:28 pm
That is something we can not help to stop thinking. Monaco lock up.
That's quite the dream. Seeing as RB is weaker than it was last year and Toro was never good enough to be the second fastest car on any track.

If you guys are so optimistic about the Honda power increase rumors why not dream about a 1-4 in Monza or Spa?
This is the dream, to win it all. This year is a bit early, i reckon

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Re: General Honda F1 Topic

Post by dren » Tue Apr 16, 2019 11:57 am

etusch wrote:
Tue Apr 16, 2019 10:00 am
mzso wrote:
Tue Apr 16, 2019 9:15 am
Snorked wrote:
Mon Apr 15, 2019 3:46 pm
My dream would be to see Honda taking 1-4 in Monaco :mrgreen: =D>
etusch wrote:
Mon Apr 15, 2019 4:28 pm
That is something we can not help to stop thinking. Monaco lock up.
That's quite the dream. Seeing as RB is weaker than it was last year and Toro was never good enough to be the second fastest car on any track.

If you guys are so optimistic about the Honda power increase rumors why not dream about a 1-4 in Monza or Spa?
It is obvious that Honda is in better condition. Redbull is not fully optimised yet. But still a good chassis. Toro Rosso uses last years chassis. So one is potential winner this year and other is almost same with last years winner. It is a possiblity with best weekend for both team.
STR does not use RB's 2018 chassis. They are using RB's 2018 gear box with some 2019 bits in it as well.
Honda!

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Re: General Honda F1 Topic

Post by PhillipM » Tue Apr 16, 2019 12:38 pm

3 races in and Horner is pointing fingers at the engine already I see.
Maybe he ought to take a slice of the humble pie that they were laughing about Mclaren needing...

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Re: General Honda F1 Topic

Post by Capharol » Tue Apr 16, 2019 12:45 pm

PhillipM wrote:
Tue Apr 16, 2019 12:38 pm
3 races in and Horner is pointing fingers at the engine already I see.
Maybe he ought to take a slice of the humble pie that they were laughing about Mclaren needing...
where does he point a finger towards Honda?

he just meant that if you wanna fight with Merc, they need more speed, but this was already known ....there is in my opinion no "pointing finger" to it
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Re: General Honda F1 Topic

Post by Marti_EF3 » Tue Apr 16, 2019 12:56 pm

PhillipM wrote:
Tue Apr 16, 2019 12:38 pm
3 races in and Horner is pointing fingers at the engine already I see.
Maybe he ought to take a slice of the humble pie that they were laughing about Mclaren needing...
I don't see anything similar to Mclaren days. Even Honda is not the same now. They did some upgrades on the chassis, and Honda will do same with software and mapping, as already some media have said to come on Baku. I don't see anything negative, maybe some people want things come the same way it was with Mclaren or RBR with Renault. But that days will not come again with Honda

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Re: General Honda F1 Topic

Post by mzso » Tue Apr 16, 2019 1:18 pm

PhillipM wrote:
Tue Apr 16, 2019 12:38 pm
3 races in and Horner is pointing fingers at the engine already I see.
Maybe he ought to take a slice of the humble pie that they were laughing about Mclaren needing...
WTF are you talking about?
You're morbidly projecting your silly biases into an article that included nothing of the sort you claim. PS: they've been pointing the finger at themselves and the chassis.

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Re: General Honda F1 Topic

Post by PhillipM » Tue Apr 16, 2019 1:29 pm

I have no silly biases, last race it was "Engine is great, Honda have delivered more power than we were expecting, chassis is flawed" - this weekend he's saying the chassis is fixed but they're loosing too much time down the straights and it's not aero drag, it's the engine...

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Re: General Honda F1 Topic

Post by nzjrs » Tue Apr 16, 2019 2:09 pm

PhillipM wrote:
Tue Apr 16, 2019 12:38 pm
3 races in and Horner is pointing fingers at the engine already I see.
Umm, that's a stretch. I haven't seen anything that could be interpreted as such. Link please.

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Re: General Honda F1 Topic

Post by Wouter » Tue Apr 16, 2019 2:36 pm

PhillipM wrote:
Tue Apr 16, 2019 1:29 pm
I have no silly biases, last race it was "Engine is great, Honda have delivered more power than we were expecting, chassis is flawed" - this weekend he's saying the chassis is fixed but they're loosing too much time down the straights and it's not aero drag, it's the engine...
Horner said that the problems with the chassis they had in Bahrain were fixed and now they have to bring great upgrades to the chassis, so the car will become better and faster. He also said that the Honda engine was better on the staights now.

Do you have a link for your statement?

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Re: General Honda F1 Topic

Post by Marti_EF3 » Tue Apr 16, 2019 3:19 pm

Red Bull boss Christian Horner thinks his team has got its chassis back on track judging by its pace at the Chinese Grand Prix, as he suggested the team's main deficit is now top speed.

After struggling to find a good balance with the car in the opening two grands prix of the season, a breakthrough in the post-Bahrain Grand Prix test helped the Milton Keynes-based outfit make progress in understanding where it had gone wrong before.

Having shown promising pace in Shanghai, as Max Verstappen split the Ferraris to take fourth place, Horner says the performance is proof of the progress the team has made in getting more from its car.

"Definitely," he said. "We have made a step forward from Bahrain and we were definitely more competitive this weekend.

"When you look on the overlays, particular sector one and sector two, we are in good shape. In sector three we still have some work to do, but we have some upgrades and so on coming soon that will help with that. So generally on that side, a positive weekend."

The reference to sector three in China, which includes the 1.2 kilometres long back straight, would appear to put the onus back on Red Bull's engine partner Honda to lift its game.

With rivals Ferrari and Mercedes having more aggressive engine modes to play with over a race weekend, Horner is hoping that gains will come on this front from Honda too.

"I think they are making progress with it," he said. "There is stuff in the pipeline that will certainly help but others aren't standing still.

"It is all about evolution. Our goal this year has been all about closing the gap to Mercedes and Ferrari and we are doing that.


"We split the Ferraris, and were certainly closer on pace to Mercedes. There will be a concertina effect that will happen between now and the halfway point of the year."

Despite being able to overhaul Charles Leclerc in China, Horner reckoned that the result was more down to clever strategy calls than the performance of its car.

"I don't think we had a faster car than Ferrari, so our best way of beating at least one of their cars was going on to the two-stop.

"That then sparked some discussion between Sebastian [Vettel] and his pit wall as to whether or not they were going to stop at all, but in the end they covered, and Mercedes had to cover him.

"Leclerc got hung out to dry a little bit. So for us, P4 was the maximum."
He don't say anything wrong with the PU. As I said, RBR bring some updates and turned the setup right, and now Honda will bring more power with the current spec PU at Baku. Nothing new, Honda and RBR itself always said that Honda needs work to do to catch Merc and Ferrari

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Re: General Honda F1 Topic

Post by ME4ME » Tue Apr 16, 2019 5:47 pm

PhillipM wrote:
Tue Apr 16, 2019 12:38 pm
3 races in and Horner is pointing fingers at the engine already I see.
Maybe he ought to take a slice of the humble pie that they were laughing about Mclaren needing...
I'm disappointed, wasn't expecting unfounded bs from you.

Reading what Horner actually said:
"When you look on the overlays, particular sector one and sector two, we are in good shape. In sector three we still have some work to do, but we have some upgrades and so on coming soon that will help with that. So generally on that side, a positive weekend."
Horner does not mention drag. He does not mention power. He does not target either the chassis or PU individually. He uses the term we, as in Red Bull Honda as a collective.

Don't try to create friction where there isn't any.

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Re: General Honda F1 Topic

Post by SmallSoldier » Wed Apr 17, 2019 2:54 am

ME4ME wrote:
PhillipM wrote:
Tue Apr 16, 2019 12:38 pm
3 races in and Horner is pointing fingers at the engine already I see.
Maybe he ought to take a slice of the humble pie that they were laughing about Mclaren needing...
I'm disappointed, wasn't expecting unfounded bs from you.

Reading what Horner actually said:
"When you look on the overlays, particular sector one and sector two, we are in good shape. In sector three we still have some work to do, but we have some upgrades and so on coming soon that will help with that. So generally on that side, a positive weekend."
Horner does not mention drag. He does not mention power. He does not target either the chassis or PU individually. He uses the term we, as in Red Bull Honda as a collective.

Don't try to create friction where there isn't any.
So when he mentions that they are lacking on the “power sensitive” part of the circuit... He isn’t making a reference to the engine? Lol... And yes, he is using “we”, but it’s clear what he is talking about... But hey, it’s your bubble, you are free to live in it :)


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Re: General Honda F1 Topic

Post by 1158 » Wed Apr 17, 2019 3:48 am

Honda certainly has work to do, but the fact that RB has stated the chassis has issues putting the power down in low speed corners, such as turn 14, kinda suggests both sides have work to do.

Until someone in RB flat out says Honda is the reason they aren't winning there is nothing to see here.

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Re: General Honda F1 Topic

Post by Bill » Wed Apr 17, 2019 6:58 am

In sector 3 Ferrari was losing 0.2 tenth to Mercedes redbull 0.4 does that imply that Mercedes have more power than Ferrari.Horner is insinuating that the pu is holding them back whats up with this talk of overlaying data it has echoes of what mclaren used to say about Honda.Marko said they were carrying small rear wing in Australia but traditionally redbull always ran swallow wing and still be competitive I can assume so called fixes are just big rear wing and is costing them in the straight