The Greatest "Rainmaster"?

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Hopelessly off-topic but I finally foud it on the page MC produced...

http://glibs.ssmmdd.co.uk/glibs/spns.ph ... &list=type

These are a list of F1 sponsors from the construction industry. Look at the first name on the list.
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I am reviving this this for anyone who can do the statistics. No biases just numbers!

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PlatinumZealot wrote:
Sat Jul 11, 2020 10:25 pm
I am reviving this this for anyone who can do the statistics. No biases just numbers!
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It is undeniable that he must be considered in the conversation now after performance like today.

The fair way to do this sort of comparison is through statistics and visual accounts. No bias. Just facts.

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Hamilton is in the mix for the title Rainmaster, but I would still give slight advantage to Schumi and Senna
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Some cleanup was needed. Take your personal fights elsewhere, thanks.
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PlatinumZealot wrote:
Sat Jul 11, 2020 10:48 pm
It is undeniable that he must be considered in the conversation now after performance like today.

The fair way to do this sort of comparison is through statistics and visual accounts. No bias. Just facts.
Not until he shows what Senna and Schumacher did: rain master performances in not a top car. Every wet race win he has had a top car or even dominant car. Something you cannot say of Schumacher (1996) or Senna (1984). Add in the times he was beaten by Button (in the same car) particularly wet races and I fail to see how he can even be considered in the same breath as those 2.
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Pyrone89 wrote:
Sat Jul 11, 2020 11:04 pm
PlatinumZealot wrote:
Sat Jul 11, 2020 10:48 pm
It is undeniable that he must be considered in the conversation now after performance like today.

The fair way to do this sort of comparison is through statistics and visual accounts. No bias. Just facts.
Not until he shows what Senna and Schumacher did: rain master performances in not a top car. Every wet race win he has had a top car or even dominant car. Something you cannot say of Schumacher (1996) or Senna (1984)
I hope it rains tomorrow. :)
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TAG wrote:
Sat Jul 11, 2020 11:05 pm
Pyrone89 wrote:
Sat Jul 11, 2020 11:04 pm
PlatinumZealot wrote:
Sat Jul 11, 2020 10:48 pm
It is undeniable that he must be considered in the conversation now after performance like today.

The fair way to do this sort of comparison is through statistics and visual accounts. No bias. Just facts.
Not until he shows what Senna and Schumacher did: rain master performances in not a top car. Every wet race win he has had a top car or even dominant car. Something you cannot say of Schumacher (1996) or Senna (1984)
I hope it rains tomorrow. :)
So I take it Hamilton will switch to the Renault over night? Because else you totally missed my point.
So far we know that Hamilton is very good in the wet and better than people who have the same dominant machine (Rosberg, Bottas). On the other hand he had a hard time with Button, a 1x WDC, in the same car, both in the dry but especially the wet. So if we are adding names to the list Button is higher up the list IMO due to this.
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Doesnt Hamilton hold the only statistic that really counts, that being most won races and poles in wet races among any driver? Didnt he pretty much win all the wet races up until Hockenheim 2019 since 2012 or something?

Assuming rain is “the great” equalizer, that is an ominous statistic to have to ones name, dominant car or not.

Even so, i think Hamilton is easily one of the very best drivers the sport has seen and has little to prove at this point. In my very humble opinion, i think he may be better than the “big greats” of the past, simply because F1 has become more competitive. We’ll never know.
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Phil wrote:
Sun Jul 12, 2020 12:44 am
Doesnt Hamilton hold the only statistic that really counts, that being most won races and poles in wet races among any driver? Didnt he pretty much win all the wet races up until Hockenheim 2019 since 2012 or something?

Assuming rain is “the great” equalizer, that is an ominous statistic to have to ones name, dominant car or not.

Even so, i think Hamilton is easily one of the very best drivers the sport has seen and has little to prove at this point. In my very humble opinion, i think he may be better than the “big greats” of the past, simply because F1 has become more competitive. We’ll never know.
I completely agree with this. It's not Hamilton's fault he's pretty much always been in a good car. But it is most definitely because of him that he has won more wet races than any other driver. More wet poles too?
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SiLo wrote:
Sun Jul 12, 2020 1:42 am
Phil wrote:
Sun Jul 12, 2020 12:44 am
Doesnt Hamilton hold the only statistic that really counts, that being most won races and poles in wet races among any driver? Didnt he pretty much win all the wet races up until Hockenheim 2019 since 2012 or something?

Assuming rain is “the great” equalizer, that is an ominous statistic to have to ones name, dominant car or not.

Even so, i think Hamilton is easily one of the very best drivers the sport has seen and has little to prove at this point. In my very humble opinion, i think he may be better than the “big greats” of the past, simply because F1 has become more competitive. We’ll never know.
I completely agree with this. It's not Hamilton's fault he's pretty much always been in a good car. But it is most definitely because of him that he has won more wet races than any other driver. More wet poles too?
There was like a 5 year period where Senna dominanted every wet race until his engine let go while leading by far in Canada, then he went on winning the wet races again for another couple years.

Senna and Hamilton, best I've ever seen do it in the rain.

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ENGINE TUNER wrote:
Sun Jul 12, 2020 2:44 am
SiLo wrote:
Sun Jul 12, 2020 1:42 am
Phil wrote:
Sun Jul 12, 2020 12:44 am
Doesnt Hamilton hold the only statistic that really counts, that being most won races and poles in wet races among any driver? Didnt he pretty much win all the wet races up until Hockenheim 2019 since 2012 or something?

Assuming rain is “the great” equalizer, that is an ominous statistic to have to ones name, dominant car or not.

Even so, i think Hamilton is easily one of the very best drivers the sport has seen and has little to prove at this point. In my very humble opinion, i think he may be better than the “big greats” of the past, simply because F1 has become more competitive. We’ll never know.
I completely agree with this. It's not Hamilton's fault he's pretty much always been in a good car. But it is most definitely because of him that he has won more wet races than any other driver. More wet poles too?
There was like a 5 year period where Senna dominanted every wet race until his engine let go while leading by far in Canada, then he went on winning the wet races again for another couple years.

Senna and Hamilton, best I've ever seen do it in the rain.
Apparently you missed a certain M. Schumacher period. https://www.youtube.com/results?search_ ... schumacher I recommend Spain 1996 in the dog Ferrari of that year.

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Pyrone89 wrote:
Sun Jul 12, 2020 2:53 am
ENGINE TUNER wrote:
Sun Jul 12, 2020 2:44 am
SiLo wrote:
Sun Jul 12, 2020 1:42 am

I completely agree with this. It's not Hamilton's fault he's pretty much always been in a good car. But it is most definitely because of him that he has won more wet races than any other driver. More wet poles too?
There was like a 5 year period where Senna dominanted every wet race until his engine let go while leading by far in Canada, then he went on winning the wet races again for another couple years.

Senna and Hamilton, best I've ever seen do it in the rain.
Apparently you missed a certain M. Schumacher period. https://www.youtube.com/results?search_ ... schumacher Enjoy
Where was all that speed when Senna was dominating him in the wet like back in 93?

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The words of F1 as can bee seen in the description of the video.
Lewis Hamilton dominates a dramatic, rain-soaked race to win at home for the first time...


I'd add that this was also in the second fastest car on the grid.
  • Massa has 6 wins to Lewis's 5
  • Ferrari had 8 wins to McLaren's 6
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