Ferrari SF1000

[JPBD1990]

Your and Alakshendra's point of view are the exact thing which Ferrari has never needed in the past and does not need now either. Hoping for criticism over media and hoping for all staff to be fired - that's just counterproductive and won't bring any positive changes. It's the pressure from fans like you and from media which puts Ferrari in a place to try to do everything in as little time as possible to turn things around and be competitive. But that's just not how it works. Ferrari needs a stable project from scratch, not trying to go for success at all costs as fast as possible. It will make them lose focus of long time goals. I hope Ferrari ignores all the criticism and keep on planning for the future.

Btw, because you asked where the PU updates are: Performance updates for the PU are no longer allowed in this season. So you won't see them until 2021.

I said something similar on the previous page. Some Ferrari fans feel such an unearned sense of entitlement for Ferrari to have success, they forget what being a ‘fan’ means. Yeah, it sucks right now, but we should want to support them and be patient with them while they rebuild, not actively wish for them to be cooked alive in the proud Italian media.

Success takes time. People ALREADY calling for Binotto’s head forget that he’s been with Ferrari for 25 years, through all the glory years, giving Michael Schumacher and kimi raikkonen championship winning engines. Through shortsightedness and pride, we’ve already suffered a serious ‘brain drain’ with people like Costa and Allison leaving, but apparently fans will not rest until the halls of Maranello are completely empty. Fire the lot of them!

People need to disconnect their own personal pride from Ferrari’s success. I’m sad for my team at the moment, but I’m not embarrassed. This is sport folks. Suck it up.

They’ve made some key changes to the technical team and it’s structure so that Binotto can get on with managing the team, instead of having to do it all. Let’s wait for that to bear fruit. They’ve finally got a technical director, an aero head, the fabled Rory Byrne is back for yet another go at it.

Have faith. Be patient. Swallow your pride. Accept that ‘you’ (the royal you) as a fan do NOT know what’s best for Ferrari, despite what you might think.

Ps sorry mods, feel free to move this I just wanted to post the response to previous posts already here.

[selvam_e2002]

He is been in 25 years. yes what he did we don't know. We only know what he is doing now.

They did something in engine and got settlement from F1. after that, the car is back to 2017.

Is it not his fault? Why they did not concentrated in engine and power unit development instead went to different route and caught by F1. who is responsible for that? Binotto right?

The Ferrari has a F1 car which is 3 year behind the development. Honestly, it is very difficult for them to over come this lag in coming years. I would say Ferrari have a chance in 2026 rule change only. By the time this current group in F1 will be kicked out.

[Fer.Fan]

He is been in 25 years. yes what he did we don't know. We only know what he is doing now.

They did something in engine and got settlement from F1. after that, the car is back to 2017.

Is it not his fault? Why they did not concentrated in engine and power unit development instead went to different route and caught by F1. who is responsible for that? Binotto right?

The Ferrari has a F1 car which is 3 year behind the development. Honestly, it is very difficult for them to over come this lag in coming years. I would say Ferrari have a chance in 2026 rule change only. By the time this current group in F1 will be kicked out.

It was Binotto who held all key positions sense he took over in 2019, and now we fans should be grateful because new organisation in in place!

We finally have a new technical director, lets celebrate people.
The car is by far the worst in last 25 years, PU is garbage, team is a mess but we have a new technical director, YES, finally...

[McMika98]

Kinda ironic that Binotto's rise to top management was attributed to the great job he did managing the engine team. Now we know how good the engine core is when run legally, he does not have any reason to be the top dog in Ferrari.

[Deadpool]

When we look at things that way Ferrari should not have agreed to an agreement with FIA, even at the cost of leaving the championship. There is life outside of F1 too...

We do not know the numbers, but revenue from F1 for Ferrari is stupendous and nowhere else will Ferrari get a fraction of it.
Leaving aside any prise money, the payments for being a legacy team is more than most teams in any series get, F1 or outside, and if Ferrari left they would never get that payment back

Advertising on the car comes from a single source, which is 'sold on' and is probably as much as most teams would get in total.

Ferrari will not leave F1, they could not afford to.

As I see it, Ferrari has been a victim of its connection to F1 and lack of alternatives in the last 10-15 seasons. Being humiliated for money ... then what are they? It's been a long time since Enzo in Maranello has banged his fist on the table.

[timbo]

Can we go back to the actual car?

[aral]

Yes ! Please note that this thread is about the actual car hardware and that there is a specific thread to discuss the team and its machinisations. So, please do not deviate from technical discussion about the SF1000. Thanks.

[kimmmykim]

The engine doesn't seem to the car's main problem. The chassis seems whack too. It took Leclerc (with newer and softer tyres compared to Grosjean, DRS, and the strongest engine mode) close to 10 laps to get past Grosjean.

[Honzus]

The engine doesn't seem to the car's main problem. The chassis seems whack too. It took Leclerc (with newer and softer tyres compared to Grosjean, DRS, and the strongest engine mode) close to 10 laps to get past Grosjean.

The car seems to have drag of a fridge, downforce of an airplane lifting off, power of a lawnmower and setup possibilities of a food processor.... It simply lacks everywhere and it seems, that development rate is close to zero.

[Hoffman900]

The engine doesn't seem to the car's main problem. The chassis seems whack too. It took Leclerc (with newer and softer tyres compared to Grosjean, DRS, and the strongest engine mode) close to 10 laps to get past Grosjean.

The car seems to have drag of a fridge, downforce of an airplane lifting off, power of a lawnmower and setup possibilities of a food processor.... It simply lacks everywhere and it seems, that development rate is close to zero.

Bad cars often don’t respond to changes, that’s part of the problem.

They need an entirely new car or design direction. Even Kimi beat them today... that’s not a horsepower problem.

[Xwang]

During the race One of the Ferrari with newer tyres and DRS open was not able to overtake an Alfa Romeo, so it seems that with DRS open the SF1000 has about the same drag than Alfa Romeo with DRS closed.

[ALO_Power]

During the race One of the Ferrari with newer tyres and DRS open was not able to overtake an Alfa Romeo, so it seems that with DRS open the SF1000 has about the same drag than Alfa Romeo with DRS closed.

Probably the SF1000 was designed with plenty of HP in mind that didn't come with the engine situation.

[wowgr8]

I did some number crunching a few weeks back after Spain and found made interesting observations, firstly the 2020 car is slower than the 2019 car in all 3 sectors, not surprising. Sector 1 which is all power they lost 0.36

Curiously sector 2 (28.357 vs 28.366) they only lost 0.009, and that's despite that back straight where they would have haemorrhaged maybe 4 tenths relative to the 2019 car, shows they've noticeably inproved the chassis

Sector 3 though (26.513 vs 26.676) they lost 0.163. You'd expect the 2020 car to beat the 2019 one here but it didn't, of course the 2019 power unit will have influence in that sector especially at the beginning and the end. I read that they improved the 2020 car aero wise but the mechanical base is all 2019/even 2018 because they were banking on the 21 rule change.

All that just to put everything into context, the situation is not as dire as people make it out to be every session, the engine just got nerfed, the chassis itself is decent and as good as you can expect without them overhauling the entire thing because we only had 1 year of the current regulations left

The problem now is trying to flip a downforce car into a low drag car again in the middle of the season, the upgrades that would've been in the pipeline from before December having to be scrapped and basically starting afresh with this car, then covid hit and the factories shut and the 2021 rules were pushed back, basically everything that could go wrong for ferrari went wrong. They dug themselves into this hole by bending the rules but aside from that it's not a headless chicken operation like people make it out to be

[Big Tea]

What I can not work out is that everyone is saying this is a dog of a car ( which it is) but as bad as it was today the same car finished 7th in Spain, 6th in Hungry, 4th and 3 rd in Silverstone and 2nd in Austria.

So a car good enough to finish second in Austria, and 3 and 4 in GB is suddenly so poor it finishes 13th and 14th?

The cars in front have not made giant leaps, especially the ones with Ferrari engines.

Something smells wrong

[Jolle]

What I can not work out is that everyone is saying this is a dog of a car ( which it is) but as bad as it was today the same car finished 7th in Spain, 6th in Hungry, 4th and 3 rd in Silverstone and 2nd in Austria.

So a car good enough to finish second in Austria, and 3 and 4 in GB is suddenly so poor it finishes 13th and 14th?

The cars in front have not made giant leaps, especially the ones with Ferrari engines.

Something smells wrong

It's not just the engine. It's also uninspired drivers, unsupported driver, bad and weird strategy calls, no leadership in race prep and bad development of the car itself (as one of the few teams, they still race a 2017-sh square style nose).

it feels a bit like a downward spiral, when everything feels like it's in reverse