Hispania F110

[ESPImperium]

Buying that Toyota chassis is probably the best thing they can do at this stage. Just imagine the unspeakable difficulty of developing a whole new car when you don't even facilities of your own then compare the relative ease of buying that Toyota car and having Toyota gmbh, not HRT, modify the rear end of it for next year. You got your reliable cosworth engine and your fancy williams gearbox and to top it of you now have a ready built mid field challenger - Easy peasy plug and play compared to anything else.

True but a $30million lump needs to be paid for 4 chassis and the technichal support for the season that Toyota Motorsport GmBh are offering. Where as the Willis designed car (rumored to be in the second un-used wind tunnel at Grove [Williams]) and the out sourcing to freelance specialists will cost arround $8-12million for the initial 3 chassis and first update package before the season takes place.

Id know what id go for, the cheaper option in the long term. But i do see where you are coming from, and would probably go down that route myself, if i could get the money.

Also rumor has it that Hispania have been offered the gearboxes for a $2m discount if they take Bottas on a season long loan deal from Williams. I can see Hispania being a team that is likley to be more along the lines of Petrov and Bottas next year.

In also half expecting this team to be miles ahead of Virgin next year, but still tail end material effectivly.

[marcush.]

How would you split your recources if you barely have them...If willis is still on board working on 2011s challenger(what else should he do with nothing happening on the current car?)
He should plan and assemble for an operational design and manufacturing group for the task ahead...maybe more than enough at this time ...but design a whole car as well ? My idea is they will rework the TF110 from the seatback rearwards....that should be a reasonable target for a small outfit

[xpensive]

Simply by watching this sorry lot, Patrick Head must be laughing his ass off realizing where Geoff Willis ended up.

Or perhaps beholding the prodigal son trying to learn walking on his own, his first try with Honda wasn't xactly a blockbuster?

[ESPImperium]

How would you split your recources if you barely have them...If willis is still on board working on 2011s challenger(what else should he do with nothing happening on the current car?)
He should plan and assemble for an operational design and manufacturing group for the task ahead...maybe more than enough at this time ...but design a whole car as well ? My idea is they will rework the TF110 from the seatback rearwards....that should be a reasonable target for a small outfit

Thats what id probably do as well, re work backwards, sort out the engine mounts for the CA2011 and get the pacgakging right arround the Williams gearbox.

If the $30M deal with Toyota has already been signed, id try and get the money together, and from there develop the car, buy the IP and then from there start to get a decent facility of their own built with a decent CFD and Wind Tunnel facility on site for the long term. Short to Medium term id operate out of Cologne untill 2013.

To me Hispanis has much more going for it than Virgin. Its got more of a blamk canvas than Virgin. However, i think the Carbonate family are readying themselvs to sell the team in the medium term.

[scuderiafan]

It looks like HRT and Toyota may have signed a deal.

http://www.worldcarfans.com/11011072941 ... 1---report

The report says that Toyota has been thought to have developed the car even further for 2011. I wonder how fast it actually is (assuming that it races next year)

[marcush.]

that´s what happens if you stop your F1 programme and decide to keep the assets including staff..
You need to pay them anyways ..so why not develop what you already have and keep the car legal for the next season and try again to sell it..
I doubt the guys at Cologne had their schedules filled completely in 2010 who really can afford a full blown F1 facility to carry out work for you ...apart from a tyre supplier or an F1 team in need to fill voids that cannot be closed otherwise?
I wonder if they would as well do the engine swap as well...

[ESPImperium]

It looks like HRT and Toyota may have signed a deal.

http://www.worldcarfans.com/11011072941 ... 1---report

The report says that Toyota has been thought to have developed the car even further for 2011. I wonder how fast it actually is (assuming that it races next year)

http://translate.google.co.uk/translate ... 6prmd%3Div

Same here, and i must say that the Hispania 2011 car is looking to be up there with the 1 Malasia car next year already. A strong midfeild car once the modify the car from the back of the monocoque backwards.

And with this aggreement its looking like Hulkenberg is gonna test for Hispania in the Abu Dhabi tests as well, making it look like he will be with that team for a season in 2011 on loan.

This means Hispania will need to get a good enough experienced guy next to him, or put him with a younger driver that knows his way arround a F1 car. Im thinking Hulkenberg/Senna or Hulkenberg/Klien here.

This team might just pose a headache in 2011 for the likes of Force India and STR if/when 1 Malasia make that step into the midfeild as well.

[JGomezH]

Hispania HRT 2010 statistics




http://img227.imageshack.us/img227/8476/hrtf12010.jpg

[marcush.]

to me it seems most astonishing that HRT has not fallen back further as the season developed ....
so the Dallara cannot be the dog and yesterdays car Willis has called it ...or the other two newcomers did the same bad job...

[Owen.C93]

Considering they had no upgrades all season, just one downgrade after the mirrors in Spain. They held up pretty well, perhaps they gave up on aero and just did mechanical.

[feynman]

It looks like HRT and Toyota may have signed a deal.

http://www.worldcarfans.com/11011072941 ... 1---report

The report says that Toyota has been thought to have developed the car even further for 2011. I wonder how fast it actually is (assuming that it races next year)

It looks like they haven't paid their bills.

http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2010/11/15/t ... t-support/

The HRT fantasy of buying tens of millions of dollars worth of Toyota Racing never really looked or sounded right, getting pursued for non-payment, that sadly kinda fits the picture from this year.

So now it's down to whatever odds and ends Willis has lying round the Williams spare wind-tunnel I guess.

[wesley123]

Those guys are really making a name for theirselves, and I am not talking positively.

Seriously how do they ever think they are going to get sponsors when they are only in the news by making stupid mistakes, not paying bills and stupid discisions? As an potential sponsor you would be crazy if you sponsored them, complete anti-advertisement for your company that is. I think they'll be gone by this winter, and if not then next year, they are destroying their own future.

[marcush.]

ah ..i don´t think they do that on purpose...Maybe they thought it was easier to get sponsorship with Willis and the rated toyota car but it did not happen?
They still can campaign their shitbox with Williams rearend ...if they happen to find money to pay for that...I doubt if willis is prepared to run a state of the art gearbox and hydraulic system only..

[wesley123]

I really believe Willis is the only onew keeping this team together. He is on loan basis, so if he gets an offer and accept it he is gone and then they dont have a car next year. I really hope this is going to happen, this is worse then Minardi, but with Minardi it was rather ok as they at least had the passion for racing.

[nacho]

Toyota chassis with Cosworth/Williams drivetrain would have been a huge upgrade. It would have actually looked like quite a tempting package for pay drivers. I hope this bad press doesn't throw them into a downward spiral... Would be a lot more convincing and tempting for the sponsors and pay drivers when you can promise a good car. Good car -> more money -> better upgrades on the car -> more performance -> more money.