2019 Chinese Grand Prix - Shanghai, April 12-14

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Re: 2019 Chinese Grand Prix - Shanghai, April 12-14

Post by dans79 » Sun Apr 14, 2019 12:29 am

Oh joy, the fair-weather fans have arrived.

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Re: 2019 Chinese Grand Prix - Shanghai, April 12-14

Post by yelistener » Sun Apr 14, 2019 1:37 am

Juzh wrote:
Sat Apr 13, 2019 6:23 pm
Vettel vs Bottas

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wzD-ou_Iu_M

As is quite obvious by now, ferrari is total trash in pretty much any corner type that's below 200 kmh. They're making a lot of time on the straights, but obviously not enough. Vettel is ahead up until braking for for the back straight, then loses massive amounts of time in that single corner complex, only for him to reel it almost all back on the straight, then lose it again in the final hairpin and final turn.

Also, remember to check out google drive folder in my singature, quali laps have been uploaded.
Bot's pole onboard from your google drive, you erased the right audio and used only the left as a mono?

BTW, as said on youtube, Bot's T11-13 isn't ideal. His T11 was faster but that gave him a worse T12 entry angle. He managed to not lose any lap time (comparing to Vettel) through T12-13 because of Merc's better traction, but if he chose Vettel's line at T11, he'd have a better T12 entry + T13 exit and thus gain more laptime on the following long straight.

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Re: 2019 Chinese Grand Prix - Shanghai, April 12-14

Post by siskue2005 » Sun Apr 14, 2019 5:10 am

Chuckjr wrote:
Sat Apr 13, 2019 11:30 pm
Vasconia wrote:
Sat Apr 13, 2019 5:48 pm
marvin78 wrote:
Sat Apr 13, 2019 12:41 pm
I must say: Kudos to Mercedes. They seem to have a hell of a car again. I am really surprised that they can hold this level of developement over so many years. It's a really big thing that is going on therre. It's a pitty that they always talk themelves down. They are by far the best at the whole package and everyone should know that by know. Absolutely impressive. Dominating such a long aera is new. And there seems to be no end for that.
Everytime there is a test or they have a not so good weekend they manage to bring chances which make the car superb again, I don´t understand how they do it. :wtf:
Really?
Established and healthy corporate head.
Virtually unlimited r & d resources world wide.
A literal army of engineers.
An astronomical budget.
Ferrari also have the same thing and they infact have even more astronomical budget than Mercedes....so is it incompetence from Ferrari?..According to u?

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Re: 2019 Chinese Grand Prix - Shanghai, April 12-14

Post by siskue2005 » Sun Apr 14, 2019 5:11 am

Mach wrote:
Sat Apr 13, 2019 11:57 pm
Mercs are just too strong....once again :roll:
Didn't see you at Bahrain =P~

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Re: 2019 Chinese Grand Prix - Shanghai, April 12-14

Post by dans79 » Sun Apr 14, 2019 5:29 am

siskue2005 wrote:
Sun Apr 14, 2019 5:11 am
Mach wrote:
Sat Apr 13, 2019 11:57 pm
Mercs are just too strong....once again :roll:
Didn't see you at Bahrain =P~
hmm.....
1-2 seems to say they are strong.


Fast but delicate usually doesn't win the WDC or WCC.

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Re: 2019 Chinese Grand Prix - Shanghai, April 12-14

Post by siskue2005 » Sun Apr 14, 2019 6:02 am

dans79 wrote:
Sun Apr 14, 2019 5:29 am
siskue2005 wrote:
Sun Apr 14, 2019 5:11 am
Mach wrote:
Sat Apr 13, 2019 11:57 pm
Mercs are just too strong....once again :roll:
Didn't see you at Bahrain =P~
hmm.....
1-2 seems to say they are strong.


Fast but delicate usually doesn't win the WDC or WCC.
Well today's race is still not finished so according to same logic as here, we should have seen posts like "Ferrari is too strong " etc BEFORE the race itself.... as we only came to know about ferraris delecate situation only after the race. :mrgreen:

For all we don't know Ferrari could get 1-2 here with the some reliability issues like Bahrain for mercedes... so people will still say Ferrari 1-2 the strongest team here?

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Re: 2019 Chinese Grand Prix - Shanghai, April 12-14

Post by dans79 » Sun Apr 14, 2019 6:30 am

siskue2005 wrote:
Sun Apr 14, 2019 6:02 am
For all we don't know Ferrari could get 1-2 here with the some reliability issues like Bahrain for mercedes... so people will still say Ferrari 1-2 the strongest team here?
No, Ferrari is definitely fragile imo.

They where way off the pace all the way up till the last run in Q3, and to me that points to them trying to protect the PU form some kind of known issue, by minimizing the use of the highest engine modes.

Now consider that Kimi is the only Ferrari powered car that hasn't taken a new CU, and you can start to see something isn't right with the Ferrari PU.

And that doesn't even take into account what Rosberg is saying!

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Re: 2019 Chinese Grand Prix - Shanghai, April 12-14

Post by Schuttelberg » Sun Apr 14, 2019 6:47 am

Phil wrote:
Sat Apr 13, 2019 6:17 pm
Schuttelberg wrote:
Sat Apr 13, 2019 8:11 am
LM10 wrote:
Sat Apr 13, 2019 8:05 am
Mercedes got pole in the slower car!
Not just pole. 1-2. Apparently, Toto is a GOD. He magically sends speed.
It’s weird. IMO it’s not that Mercedes was fast, it was Ferrari that was slow. In my opinion, they are dialing down things perhaps due to reliability concerns? I dont think Mercedes/Toto is faking their performance or expectations.
Phil, I really rate your posts and you're the closest thing to a friend here but can we please not have discussions about Toto? :lol:
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Re: 2019 Chinese Grand Prix - Shanghai, April 12-14

Post by Schuttelberg » Sun Apr 14, 2019 6:48 am

Support for Seb is strong amongst his peers! Perhaps, everyone just wants to mess with Max.
"Sebastian there's very, you're a member of a very select few.. Stewart, Lauda, Piquet, Senna, Prost, Schumacher, Fangio.. VETTEL!"

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Re: 2019 Chinese Grand Prix - Shanghai, April 12-14

Post by atanatizante » Sun Apr 14, 2019 6:53 am

- Air temp 18 degrees Celsius and track temp under 30 ... that should suit Ferrari
- In race trim at FP2 Ferrari has had the same top speed as Merc (without DRS) and only in qualy with the help of the party mode Vettel was faster (8km/h to Lewis and 6 to Bottas)
- Most favourable strategy: one-stop M-H, but in case of a Safety Car we should see some interesting 2 stops race
- Max definitely on the course of a 2 stop race for he has nothing to lose here ... at least he could finish 5th
- Lewis could do a 2 stop race if he sees that Bottas goes into a tyre management phase and it`ll be interesting to see whether it`s a M-M-S, M-H-S ...
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Re: 2019 Chinese Grand Prix - Shanghai, April 12-14

Post by Juzh » Sun Apr 14, 2019 6:56 am

yelistener wrote:
Sun Apr 14, 2019 1:37 am
Juzh wrote:
Sat Apr 13, 2019 6:23 pm
Vettel vs Bottas

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wzD-ou_Iu_M

As is quite obvious by now, ferrari is total trash in pretty much any corner type that's below 200 kmh. They're making a lot of time on the straights, but obviously not enough. Vettel is ahead up until braking for for the back straight, then loses massive amounts of time in that single corner complex, only for him to reel it almost all back on the straight, then lose it again in the final hairpin and final turn.

Also, remember to check out google drive folder in my singature, quali laps have been uploaded.
Bot's pole onboard from your google drive, you erased the right audio and used only the left as a mono?
I raised the left audio to the same volume as the right one and then rendered both of them as mono. All my clips are mono because it's just a mess when using a dual stereo on the comparison laps. You never know from which car the sound is coming from in that case.

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Re: 2019 Chinese Grand Prix - Shanghai, April 12-14

Post by NathanOlder » Sun Apr 14, 2019 7:03 am

atanatizante wrote:
Sun Apr 14, 2019 6:53 am
- Air temp 18 degrees Celsius and track temp under 30 ... that should suit Ferrari
- In race trim at FP2 Ferrari has had the same top speed as Merc (without DRS) and only in qualy with the help of the party mode Vettel was faster (8km/h to Lewis and 6 to Bottas)
- Most favourable strategy: one-stop M-H, but in case of a Safety Car we should see some interesting 2 stops race
- Max definitely on the course of a 2 stop race for he has nothing to lose here ... at least he could finish 5th
- Lewis could do a 2 stop race if he sees that Bottas goes into a tyre management phase and it`ll be interesting to see whether it`s a M-M-S, M-H-S ...
Cant be too much risk of a safety car on a big circuit like this ?
I mean what a joke it was in Bahrain to have a safety car! What was the point of bringing in the VSC ??? I thought it was exactly for what happened, no serious crash, and a car/cars need marshals on track to recover!
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Re: 2019 Chinese Grand Prix - Shanghai, April 12-14

Post by Artur Craft » Sun Apr 14, 2019 7:05 am

Juzh wrote:
Sat Apr 13, 2019 6:23 pm

Also, remember to check out google drive folder in my singature, quali laps have been uploaded.
Yes, I'm downloading it all and was looking forward to those uploads. Thanks very very much for all the effort, mate :!: =D>

People on youtube must be happy that Bottas got pole, otherwise it would be the shoulder cam again :D

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Re: 2019 Chinese Grand Prix - Shanghai, April 12-14

Post by zeph » Sun Apr 14, 2019 7:16 am

Lightning start from HAM! The lights went out unusually quick, I think it surprised BOT a little.

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Re: 2019 Chinese Grand Prix - Shanghai, April 12-14

Post by zeph » Sun Apr 14, 2019 7:17 am

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