2019 Canadian Grand Prix - Montreal June 7-9

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Re: 2019 Canadian Grand Prix, Montreal June 7-9

Post by Shakeman » Sun Jun 09, 2019 5:05 pm

The only way Ferrari win today is if HAM is taken out at the start.

If VET doesn't choke under the intense examination by HAM the Ferrari pitwall strategists will choke.

I cannot see past HAM in a straight fight, VET does not have enough car advantage* to put him in a safe place. *unless today's temperatures adversely affect the Merc.

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Re: 2019 Canadian Grand Prix, Montreal June 7-9

Post by Phil » Sun Jun 09, 2019 5:05 pm

TAG wrote:
Sun Jun 09, 2019 2:44 pm
Things don't work in a vacuum Phil, you know Lewis would have been the first to say that he made a mistake in S3 if he'd made a mistake.
I believe he apologized on team radio and Toto said so too in the post qualifying interview that there was a mistake. I'm really not sure what "vacuum" you are referring to. Lewis was up 1.5 tenths after the first sector and he was purple in S2, yet he lost more in S3 than on his previous best. This isn't Barcelona where you are sacrificing one sector for another because the tires are overheating. Montreal is a high speed full confidence circuit with significant track evolution. Anyway, as I already said, I think Lewis lost around 1 to 1.5 tenths, not more, thus he wouldn't have gotten pole anyway.
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Re: 2019 Canadian Grand Prix, Montreal June 7-9

Post by Mansell89 » Sun Jun 09, 2019 5:15 pm

So is a one stop possible here by eeking our the first phase and switching to hards?

Or is it simply too hot and too high deg, meaning you’ll need a M-H-M or a S-H-M?

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Re: 2019 Canadian Grand Prix, Montreal June 7-9

Post by search » Sun Jun 09, 2019 5:20 pm

Mansell89 wrote:
Sun Jun 09, 2019 5:15 pm
Or is it simply too hot and too high deg, meaning you’ll need a M-H-M or a S-H-M?
hard to say, but it's really going to be interesting if that's the case, as most teams just don't have enough tires for a strategy like that. They'd need to run the Softs at some point then, and potentially multiple times if they really disappear after a handful of laps. But it's unlikely to happen of course. Unfortunately ;)

Regarding Mercedes, it's not looking too rosy with one new engine going up in smoke yesterday and now with the issues at Hamilton's car... maybe there really is some kind of problem with that specification at last?!

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Re: 2019 Canadian Grand Prix, Montreal June 7-9

Post by izzy » Sun Jun 09, 2019 5:27 pm

Shakeman wrote:
Sun Jun 09, 2019 5:05 pm
The only way Ferrari win today is if HAM is taken out at the start.

If VET doesn't choke under the intense examination by HAM the Ferrari pitwall strategists will choke.

I cannot see past HAM in a straight fight, VET does not have enough car advantage* to put him in a safe place. *unless today's temperatures adversely affect the Merc.
Based on qualy the Ferrari has enough traction out of the hairpin to stay ahead on the straight, and that's the only passing place. The only chance for Lewis is if the Ferrari eats its rears quite a lot faster, which it might do but if Seb can look after them the action is all going to be behind, while Seb and Lewis go round and round in tandem :(

but perhaps the Pirellis can deliver for us :mrgreen:

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Re: 2019 Canadian Grand Prix, Montreal June 7-9

Post by Restomaniac » Sun Jun 09, 2019 5:38 pm

izzy wrote:
Sun Jun 09, 2019 5:27 pm
Shakeman wrote:
Sun Jun 09, 2019 5:05 pm
The only way Ferrari win today is if HAM is taken out at the start.

If VET doesn't choke under the intense examination by HAM the Ferrari pitwall strategists will choke.

I cannot see past HAM in a straight fight, VET does not have enough car advantage* to put him in a safe place. *unless today's temperatures adversely affect the Merc.
Based on qualy the Ferrari has enough traction out of the hairpin to stay ahead on the straight, and that's the only passing place. The only chance for Lewis is if the Ferrari eats its rears quite a lot faster, which it might do but if Seb can look after them the action is all going to be behind, while Seb and Lewis go round and round in tandem :(

but perhaps the Pirellis can deliver for us :mrgreen:
Long straight plus DRS?

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Re: 2019 Canadian Grand Prix, Montreal June 7-9

Post by matt_b » Sun Jun 09, 2019 5:45 pm

Interested to see the power of DRS here with the new regs and how fragile the tyres are in these temps. Last year the tyres went for days, overtaking was very minimal and it was all a bit confusing on a track known for overtaking.

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Re: 2019 Canadian Grand Prix, Montreal June 7-9

Post by atanatizante » Sun Jun 09, 2019 5:48 pm

Water leak inside the ICE on Lewis` car was discovered some hours ago and now mechanics are working full steam in order to get ready in time (taking the engine out???) ... said Lewis on track parade to Rossana at Sky ... even Bottas`s mechanics are out there ...
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Re: 2019 Canadian Grand Prix, Montreal June 7-9

Post by izzy » Sun Jun 09, 2019 5:51 pm

Restomaniac wrote:
Sun Jun 09, 2019 5:38 pm
izzy wrote:
Sun Jun 09, 2019 5:27 pm

Based on qualy the Ferrari has enough traction out of the hairpin to stay ahead on the straight, and that's the only passing place. The only chance for Lewis is if the Ferrari eats its rears quite a lot faster, which it might do but if Seb can look after them the action is all going to be behind, while Seb and Lewis go round and round in tandem :(

but perhaps the Pirellis can deliver for us :mrgreen:
Long straight plus DRS?
yes i know what you mean, but last year...

and what's DRS worth? 12 kph or something, and the Ferraris have 6 kph so that's half of it gone, and being first out of the hairpin gives a few car lengths automatically

and even last year, in Baku on the restart Lewis towed up behind Seb, pulled out and just stopped, with the drag

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Re: 2019 Canadian Grand Prix, Montreal June 7-9

Post by Shrieker » Sun Jun 09, 2019 5:54 pm

izzy wrote:
Sun Jun 09, 2019 5:51 pm
and what's DRS worth? 12 kph or something, and the Ferraris have 6 kph so that's half of it gone, and being first out of the hairpin gives a few car lengths automatically
There's free DRS in quali, and DRS negates the drag of the rear wing almost completely. So the figures you've mentioned aren't exactly representative.
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Re: 2019 Canadian Grand Prix, Montreal June 7-9

Post by search » Sun Jun 09, 2019 5:55 pm

the DRS effect is not the same for everyone though. If Ferrari is running more wing than Mercedes (which I think they are?!) they'll suffer more without DRS, in comparison

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Re: 2019 Canadian Grand Prix, Montreal June 7-9

Post by atanatizante » Sun Jun 09, 2019 5:57 pm

They just fired Lewis` ICE a couple of minutes ago ...
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Re: 2019 Canadian Grand Prix, Montreal June 7-9

Post by Mansell89 » Sun Jun 09, 2019 5:58 pm

I heavily fancied Red Bull this weekend in race trim because it just looks pretty good on its tyres.

Max might be too far back but if he starts hard compound and goes super long, who knows how much advantage he could have in a late stint whilst everyone else nurses their hards [tyres] (careful guys, careful). I think if someone is brave enough to two stop and play late, they could cause havoc.

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Re: 2019 Canadian Grand Prix, Montreal June 7-9

Post by FrukostScones » Sun Jun 09, 2019 5:58 pm

this will be a total borefest
VET running off into the distance, HAM dnf LEC 2nd.
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Re: 2019 Canadian Grand Prix, Montreal June 7-9

Post by GPR -A » Sun Jun 09, 2019 6:00 pm

FrukostScones wrote:
Sun Jun 09, 2019 5:58 pm
this will be a total borefest
VET running off into the distance, HAM dnf LEC 2nd.
When was the last time you got your prediction of HAM DNF right? I have been reading that prediction of yours for ages now. :lol:
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