2019 Belgian Grand Prix - Spa-Francorchamps, Aug 30 - Sep 1

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Re: 2019 Belgian Grand Prix - Spa-Francorchamps, Aug 30 - Sep 1

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izzy wrote:
25 Aug 2019, 10:53
JV reckons Honda are turning up their engines so they have lots of power but only last 4 races. So i wouldn't count Max out
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Webber2011 wrote:
25 Aug 2019, 11:09
izzy wrote:
25 Aug 2019, 10:53
JV reckons Honda are turning up their engines so they have lots of power but only last 4 races. So i wouldn't count Max out
JV wouldn't know his arse from his elbow
Current engine already is 5 races old, despite the beating it took in Austria.

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Aesop wrote:
25 Aug 2019, 11:45
Webber2011 wrote:
25 Aug 2019, 11:09
izzy wrote:
25 Aug 2019, 10:53
JV reckons Honda are turning up their engines so they have lots of power but only last 4 races. So i wouldn't count Max out
JV wouldn't know his arse from his elbow
Current engine already is 5 races old, despite the beating it took in Austria.
Oh yes, new in France. Well that was the 3rd unit already so let's see what they do next weekend. I think their policy this year is to push development and take the penalties and it's looking quite powerful

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Re: 2019 Belgian Grand Prix - Spa-Francorchamps, Aug 30 - Sep 1

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Probably Albon on a new PU.

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Just_a_fan wrote:
25 Aug 2019, 09:42
If Ferrari don't bag pole here then they will be very worried. With their apparent straight line speed advantage, and the effectively "two long straights with a bit of twiddly stuff in the middle" nature that is Spa, should help them massively.
this was effectively the story last year. In Q2 ferrari owned S1 and S3, but mercedes was only 0.05s off at the end of the lap with a very good middle sector. Last year however, ferrari was actually decent in bus stop and la source, whereas this year they will struggle.

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Re: 2019 Belgian Grand Prix - Spa-Francorchamps, Aug 30 - Sep 1

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NL_Fer wrote:
25 Aug 2019, 12:48
Probably Albon on a new PU.
Why?
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Wouter wrote:
25 Aug 2019, 13:00
NL_Fer wrote:
25 Aug 2019, 12:48
Probably Albon on a new PU.
Why?
i find it funny how people always saying they know something just from reading a article or stating things as a fact without further explanation.

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Re: 2019 Belgian Grand Prix - Spa-Francorchamps, Aug 30 - Sep 1

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Webber2011 wrote:
25 Aug 2019, 11:09
izzy wrote:
25 Aug 2019, 10:53
JV reckons Honda are turning up their engines so they have lots of power but only last 4 races. So i wouldn't count Max out
JV wouldn't know his arse from his elbow
and i think he has more inside knowledge then you and me and many others together

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Re: 2019 Belgian Grand Prix - Spa-Francorchamps, Aug 30 - Sep 1

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He's always wrong though.

Back to the race, the slipstream worked wonders in Baku, what about at Spa? Ideal spot would be sector 3?
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godlameroso wrote:
25 Aug 2019, 13:32
He's always wrong though.
are you sure he is always wrong?
maybe the team decide to do it differently, we can't say for sure because we aren't there

and it will be the 1st sector after eau rouge, where a driver can benefit from a slipstream the most

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godlameroso wrote:
25 Aug 2019, 13:32
He's always wrong though.
He's mostly half right and exaggerating for attention, but he's only going to be wrong this time after a Honda ICE has done 7 races.

His point was to diss Honda of course but my point is that Max will probably have lots of power next weekend so he could be a factor, especially if they fit a new unit, which they will either this weekend or Monza

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Won't be this weekend, plan is for next race, although they may take a chance. The biggest unknown is fuel for the new spec, which is still a work in progress. We won't see the full potential until then.
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Hopefully we'll get both Mercedes, both Ferraris, Max and just possibly Albon, all mixing it up at the front. That would be great to watch.....as long as Lewis wins course.

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Re: 2019 Belgian Grand Prix - Spa-Francorchamps, Aug 30 - Sep 1

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Just my wild guess.

Qualifying: possibly a 1-2 for Ferrari, Mercedes just behind & Max as well.
Race: I think Mercedes will be very strong so if Hamilton manages to break the 1-2 formation quite early in the race (at the start or an overtake Vettel 2018-style) , he will win eventually. Otherwise it will be Ferrari's race to lose. Max in front of Bottas.

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zibby43 wrote:
24 Aug 2019, 21:47
godlameroso wrote:
24 Aug 2019, 14:58
The bus stop hair pin is too slow for it to require downforce. You only need downforce for sector 2. One thing I've noticed is the Mercedes isn't great if the track has a lot of elevation change combined with corners.
Merc's advantage in slow-speed corners goes beyond downforce. It has to do with their suspension kinematics and tire temperature management.

What tracks would those be?

In terms of the circuits that have been raced on so far this year, Austria is the only one I can think of where they didn't perform well this year. And that had to do with the heat and the altitude of the entire track itself.

Austria has 63.5m worth of elevation change over the course of a lap.

Monaco has a surprising 42m, and Hungary 34.7m. Mercedes has done well at both of those tracks this year.

Monaco:

https://www.formula1.com/content/fom-we ... 306021.jpg

Hungary:

https://www.formula1.com/content/fom-we ... 304503.jpg

Spa has the greatest elevation change over the course of a lap of any circuit on the calendar.

https://www.formula1.com/content/fom-we ... 301894.jpg
It's one thing to have elevation change, another to combine elevation change with corners. Sector 3 in Austria for example, is a series of downhill right hand turns.
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