2020 Styrian Grand Prix - Spielberg, 10-12 July

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One thing liberty have got right is F1’s presence on YouTube. There are some truly excellent videos on there, like those ones

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El Scorchio wrote:
Wed Jul 15, 2020 12:12 am
One thing liberty have got right is F1’s presence on YouTube. There are some truly excellent videos on there, like those ones
yep, I can remember the 2012 time period and F1 had zero presence on .YouTube
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dans79 wrote:
Tue Jul 14, 2020 10:42 pm
They finally released the Lewis & Max side by side qualifying comparison.

OK smoooooth throttle control. It seems a number of corners and even the straights where it is all about controlling the throttle and gear shifts. Max seemed a little more impatient on this lap, maybe even too aggressive on the throttle, causing him to kick out a number of times. He is a lot better controlling the throttle on his final lap the one where he spun. I think the last lap had better conditions too.

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dans79 wrote:
Wed Jul 15, 2020 1:51 am
El Scorchio wrote:
Wed Jul 15, 2020 12:12 am
One thing liberty have got right is F1’s presence on YouTube. There are some truly excellent videos on there, like those ones
yep, I can remember the 2012 time period and F1 had zero presence on .YouTube
Bernie wasn't interested in anything that didn't have a monetary value attached. At the time, youtube and social media weren't the earners they are now that there is advertising revenue to be had.
Turbo says "Dumpster sounds so much more classy. It's the diamond of the cesspools." oh, and "The Dutch fans are drunk. Maybe"

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Just_a_fan wrote:
Wed Jul 15, 2020 8:24 am
dans79 wrote:
Wed Jul 15, 2020 1:51 am
El Scorchio wrote:
Wed Jul 15, 2020 12:12 am
One thing liberty have got right is F1’s presence on YouTube. There are some truly excellent videos on there, like those ones
yep, I can remember the 2012 time period and F1 had zero presence on .YouTube
Bernie wasn't interested in anything that didn't have a monetary value attached. At the time, youtube and social media weren't the earners they are now that there is advertising revenue to be had.
I think even back then F1 needed some free presence on the internet, if for no other reason but to give people a taste of what was on offer behind the paywall.
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YouTube is free advertising for F1, bernie held back F1 so much it is ridiculous. For example, F1 was far more popular than both the NBA and NFL when Bernie hijacked the commercial rights, only for them to both past F1 in popularity and revenue generated. Any NFL team can be sold for a billion, F1 teams can't even be sold. Bernie did irreparable damage to F1 and should never be celebrated.

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Jolle wrote:
Tue Jul 14, 2020 10:20 pm
Zynerji wrote:
Tue Jul 14, 2020 9:56 pm
Jolle wrote:
Tue Jul 14, 2020 9:47 pm


So.... anything goes? so... uhm... movable wings, giant turbo and multi compound tires?

So I can design a car that follows the leader and blast past them on the last corner with 9G?
Must stay within the current Formula.

So, cant break the limiting aero boxes, engine concept, or safety systems, but anything within them is 100% allowed.

On Thursdays, teams upload all data to a Cloud that Media subscribers could use to drive articles going into Friday, and Fan Access opening after Qualifying through a F1TV subscription. No scrutineering needed, no reverse engineering budgets, no protests. And a team could literally build any competitors car, and fork development from there. The closeness would be spec-like, but the cars would still be bespoke to their teams.

Just common sense, self balancing systems that maximize fan interest, media interaction, track visitors, team development budgets (Minimum cap instead of maximum) and add value to the F1 brand.
I like your idea and love the openness. In practice there are some "drawbacks". Although open source in theory should, in some kind of utopian theory stimulate innovation by sharing it, in a place like ultimate competition as F1, slows it. F1 is about having the edge over your competition, for as long as possible (not as much as possible). So, if we had those rules now, Mercedes would have the W11 and would make it just a tenth faster then the RB16. Only bolding on faster parts (and throwing them into the open source bin) if needed. For one season this really doesn't matter that much, because the baseline is quite good, but imagine this system going on since 2014, we would still be racing a slightly undated W05 with a whole field of 99% copies (everything but the latest update), because a F1 car only works if its designed as a whole and you understand the system.

maybe a bit like communism, on paper it looked good (great equality etc), but in practice you're stuck with 50's tech
I don't believe so, as the self-balance to that is the MINIMUM budgets. They have to spend on some kind of development to meet that expectation. And imagine 10 teams all spending $100M, and sharing. Thats a 10x return for each teams investment. And I agree that it would be about being faster for longer, but you would absolutely NEED to bring updates every week, or get smoked by the rest. That would drive competition, innovation, and outside-the-box solutions. All things that are great for F1!

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dans79 wrote:
Wed Jul 15, 2020 1:23 pm
Just_a_fan wrote:
Wed Jul 15, 2020 8:24 am
dans79 wrote:
Wed Jul 15, 2020 1:51 am

yep, I can remember the 2012 time period and F1 had zero presence on .YouTube
Bernie wasn't interested in anything that didn't have a monetary value attached. At the time, youtube and social media weren't the earners they are now that there is advertising revenue to be had.
I think even back then F1 needed some free presence on the internet, if for no other reason but to give people a taste of what was on offer behind the paywall.
I don't disagree but this was Bernie and he only saw dollar signs. As the saying goes: he knew the cost of everything and the value of nothing.

Remember the time he made some ridiculous remark about young people not being in their market because they didn't have any money?

Ah, here it is:
https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/11676 ... young-fans

The guy was a dinosaur. He forgot the simple truth - the young of today are the customers of tomorrow.
Turbo says "Dumpster sounds so much more classy. It's the diamond of the cesspools." oh, and "The Dutch fans are drunk. Maybe"

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Just_a_fan wrote:
Wed Jul 15, 2020 2:47 pm
dans79 wrote:
Wed Jul 15, 2020 1:23 pm
Just_a_fan wrote:
Wed Jul 15, 2020 8:24 am


Bernie wasn't interested in anything that didn't have a monetary value attached. At the time, youtube and social media weren't the earners they are now that there is advertising revenue to be had.
I think even back then F1 needed some free presence on the internet, if for no other reason but to give people a taste of what was on offer behind the paywall.
I don't disagree but this was Bernie and he only saw dollar signs. As the saying goes: he knew the cost of everything and the value of nothing.

Remember the time he made some ridiculous remark about young people not being in their market because they didn't have any money?

Ah, here it is:
https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/11676 ... young-fans

The guy was a dinosaur. He forgot the simple truth - the young of today are the customers of tomorrow.
Yea I remember hearing that, and immediately thinking he's clueless. Honestly I think he got to wear he is at by sheer luck.
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Please note the title of the topic....Styrian Grand Prix. Other matters such as Bernie, alternative series etc can be discussed on an Off-topic thread.

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TAG wrote:
Tue Jul 14, 2020 11:48 pm
dans79 wrote:
Tue Jul 14, 2020 10:42 pm
They finally released the Lewis & Max side by side qualifying comparison.

Rain is the great equalizer, taking out the engine power discrepancies from the mix so we're left with driver, suspension and chassis.
Tyre prep even more so, I'd say!

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Just_a_fan wrote:
Wed Jul 15, 2020 8:24 am
dans79 wrote:
Wed Jul 15, 2020 1:51 am
El Scorchio wrote:
Wed Jul 15, 2020 12:12 am
One thing liberty have got right is F1’s presence on YouTube. There are some truly excellent videos on there, like those ones
yep, I can remember the 2012 time period and F1 had zero presence on .YouTube
Bernie wasn't interested in anything that didn't have a monetary value attached. At the time, youtube and social media weren't the earners they are now that there is advertising revenue to be had.
My guesstimates puts F1's youtube earnings at minimum 4.5 mil USD and maximum 12 mil USD. Real value probably somewhere in between. Meteoric rise of users watching on mobile devices without adblocking tools has skyrocketed ad incomes, at least that's why I've been seeing on my channels. Back in 2017 1000 views equalled roughly 1$, in 2020 it equals 2.5$.

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=D>
Just_a_fan wrote:
Tue Jul 14, 2020 10:00 pm
Zynerji wrote:
Tue Jul 14, 2020 9:43 pm
I disseminate companies into their intrinsic mechanisms, synergize the routes from sourcing to delivery for maximum throughput, and I self balance the pay structures to hyper-align "what is best for the company" and "what is best for the employee".
What? :wtf:

https://youtu.be/Ac7G7xOG2Ag
=D> =D> =D>
That made sense .. don't know if it'll fit into the costcutting hype of today though ..
Sunshine is just a choice ...

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dans79 wrote:
Tue Jul 14, 2020 10:42 pm
They finally released the Lewis & Max side by side qualifying comparison.

I've been looking at this one. Final attempt. Equal until turn turn 5, 0.4 gap until corner where Verstappen went off.

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Its more like 7-8 tenths where the outside apex starts on the approach to turn 9. The timing on Lewis Lap just turns to 1.05.0 if you pause the video and go frame by frame using the < and > keys. When Max gets to the same point, the time says 1.05.8.
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