Saudi Arabian Grand Prix in 2021

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There will be a lot of debate about the ethics of this, but money talks I guess....

I just hope whatever the circuit looks like that it can provide entertaining races. I know it's a street circuit so my hopes are not high.

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As much as I would like as many races as possible, I think this is hypocritical, after the "we race as one" campaign this year ...

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Holm86 wrote:
Thu Nov 05, 2020 4:16 pm
As much as I would like as many races as possible, I think this is hypocritical, after the "we race as one" campaign this year ...
What exactly is the problem?
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Moore77 wrote:
Thu Nov 05, 2020 4:20 pm
Holm86 wrote:
Thu Nov 05, 2020 4:16 pm
As much as I would like as many races as possible, I think this is hypocritical, after the "we race as one" campaign this year ...
What exactly is the problem?
Beside their total disregard of human rights??

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The FIA is guided by the Fundamental Principles of its Statutes, including the fight against any form of discrimination and notably on account of skin colour, gender, religion, ethnic or social origin. We must promote diversity in motor sport.
Lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender (LGBT) people in Saudi Arabia face legal challenges not experienced by non-LGBT residents. Both male and female same-sex sexual activity is illegal. LGBT rights are not recognized by the government of Saudi Arabia. The Saudi social mores and laws are heavily influenced by ultra-conservative Muslims. Homosexuality and being transgender are widely seen as immoral and indecent activities, and the law punishes acts of homosexuality or cross-dressing with punishments of fines, prison time up to life,[1] and capital punishment.[3]

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Thu Nov 05, 2020 4:28 pm
The FIA is guided by the Fundamental Principles of its Statutes, including the fight against any form of discrimination and notably on account of skin colour, gender, religion, ethnic or social origin. We must promote diversity in motor sport.
Lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender (LGBT) people in Saudi Arabia face legal challenges not experienced by non-LGBT residents. Both male and female same-sex sexual activity is illegal. LGBT rights are not recognized by the government of Saudi Arabia. The Saudi social mores and laws are heavily influenced by ultra-conservative Muslims. Homosexuality and being transgender are widely seen as immoral and indecent activities, and the law punishes acts of homosexuality or cross-dressing with punishments of fines, prison time up to life,[1] and capital punishment.[3]
Regardless which form of discrimination or rights violation happens, it's a problem. Saudi Arabia fares no worse than many other countries where F1 goes racing. Either F1 should stop visiting all those countries OR simply ignore what all the human rights watch dogs publishes.

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Shame. I like a new track and I like that it is in a new place. But I don't understand how a systematically discriminatory country can be considered against the backdrop of #weraceasone. I wonder what Lewis will have to say about that. Does he not have a Jesus tattoo somewhere? Will he be allowed to enter the country?
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Regardless which form of discrimination or rights violation happens, it's a problem. Saudi Arabia fares no worse than many other countries where F1 goes racing. Either F1 should stop visiting all those countries OR simply ignore what all the human rights watch dogs publishes.
Looking at the map, that would mean that we'll get a season like this year +Canada +Australia and -Turkey -Russia. Don't sound too bad :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Just checked, flight and accommodation prices look pretty good. Sounds like a cheaper Bahrain night race possibility.

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You could see this on both ways. One is that F1 is ignoring the importance of human rights etc., which has already been discussed. But it can also be a statement of intent, that we go to a vunerable place to voice our (shared opinion on human rights) opinion about the subject at hand. Sometimes it's better to voice an opinion in a loud matter, rather than "simply" ignore the subject, to SOME extent, and not go to that country. I know you make a point by not going to a certain country to point out values. But I fear those voices tend to fade out. Perhaps this is F1s way of the 'BLM'-movement. An intention of actually making a difference.

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LHamilton wrote:
Thu Nov 05, 2020 5:52 pm
You could see this on both ways. One is that F1 is ignoring the importance of human rights etc., which has already been discussed. But it can also be a statement of intent, that we go to a vunerable place to voice our (shared opinion on human rights) opinion about the subject at hand. Sometimes it's better to voice an opinion in a loud matter, rather than "simply" ignore the subject, to SOME extent, and not go to that country. I know you make a point by not going to a certain country to point out values. But I fear those voices tend to fade out. Perhaps this is F1s way of the 'BLM'-movement. An intention of actually making a difference.
That or the Saudis offered them an absolute shedload of money.
Of course the trend away from 'traditional' race countries and venues has pretty much been financially driven- i.e. which country is willing to pay the whacking great fees to host an F1 race. I'd say maybe having a race is more a marketing ploy on the part of the country to improve it's 'brand'/image internationally than any sort of statement from F1. It's not like F1 can or will do anything whatsoever to change the politics anywhere. It's not like they say 'We'll give you a race but sort out your human rights issues'. I think they are more likely turning a blind eye in the pursuit of dollar. Although what these countries are paying probably keeps the sport afloat, to a large extent, so.....

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LHamilton wrote:
Thu Nov 05, 2020 5:52 pm
You could see this on both ways. One is that F1 is ignoring the importance of human rights etc., which has already been discussed. But it can also be a statement of intent, that we go to a vunerable place to voice our (shared opinion on human rights) opinion about the subject at hand. Sometimes it's better to voice an opinion in a loud matter, rather than "simply" ignore the subject, to SOME extent, and not go to that country. I know you make a point by not going to a certain country to point out values. But I fear those voices tend to fade out. Perhaps this is F1s way of the 'BLM'-movement. An intention of actually making a difference.
Sure... :lol:

It’s the smell of some fresh money which led F1 to this move. Nothing else.

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Some posts have been removed as they were becoming political. Please keep politics out of this thread.

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Will Lewis Hamilton have the stones to protest or take a stand against the Saudi race or is he a social media diva more interested in follows and money?