2016 Haas F1 Team - Ferrari

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Re: 2016 Haas F1 Team - Ferrari

Post by strad » Mon Mar 21, 2016 12:19 am

bhall II wrote:
mep wrote:What they show is not the kind of spirit F1 teams should have. :evil:
Taking advantage of the rules to the fullest extent possible is exactly what F1 is about.

Beyond that, I see very little difference between the current Ferrari-Haas relationship and the beginning stages of the Red Bull-Toro Rosso relationship, one that has propelled the former Minardi team to heights it never could have achieved on its own.
Couldn't have said it any better.
I think we are just hearing sour grapes.
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Re: 2016 Haas F1 Team - Ferrari

Post by Facts Only » Mon Mar 21, 2016 9:59 am

Well done to HAAS, an excellent result. Its not just good for HAAS though, it is good for F1 as a whole because it shows that starting a new team and breaking into the competitive ranks is not completely impossible.
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Re: 2016 Haas F1 Team - Ferrari

Post by Pierce89 » Mon Mar 21, 2016 1:36 pm

To me, Haas proves that the hrt fiasco was not Dallara's fault
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Re: 2016 Haas F1 Team - Ferrari

Post by CBeck113 » Mon Mar 21, 2016 2:58 pm

Dallara has been at it for years, proving that they could build chassis. Designing a chassis is a different story....but they certainly can build them.
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Re: 2016 Haas F1 Team - Ferrari

Post by bhall II » Mon Mar 21, 2016 3:35 pm

tok-tokkie wrote:I would like to have seen what Xpensive would have posted here after this result.
It's xactly what I xpected. They're xalting a pitiful sixth place finish from a design that manged to xtract a few wins last year. Why I'd be surprised if they're still around when the season xpires.

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Re: 2016 Haas F1 Team - Ferrari

Post by Phillyred » Mon Mar 21, 2016 5:17 pm

I don't want to take anything away from Haas, but they really really benefitted from the red flag situation!

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Re: 2016 Haas F1 Team - Ferrari

Post by Phillyred » Mon Mar 21, 2016 5:17 pm

I don't want to take anything away from Haas, but they really really benefitted from the red flag situation!

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Re: 2016 Haas F1 Team - Ferrari

Post by TTOS » Mon Mar 21, 2016 5:41 pm

...but your entire post does take away from Haas's success. Precisely how did Haas benefit from the red flag any more than other teams...?

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Re: 2016 Haas F1 Team - Ferrari

Post by Raleigh » Mon Mar 21, 2016 6:07 pm

TTOS wrote:...but your entire post does take away from Haas's success. Precisely how did Haas benefit from the red flag any more than other teams...?
Timing.

Grosjean was running out of position in 6th at the red flag because he was on softs and hadn't pitted yet, so he got a free pitstop.

To his and the teams credit Grosjean was then able to hold onto 6th (showing the car has pace), but at least in part it's a lucky result.

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Re: 2016 Haas F1 Team - Ferrari

Post by TTOS » Mon Mar 21, 2016 6:23 pm

"so he got a free pitstop."

Like Rosberg, Hamilton , Vettel and any other cars that weren't retired?? How was Haas's advantage any different?

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Re: 2016 Haas F1 Team - Ferrari

Post by sgth0mas » Mon Mar 21, 2016 6:48 pm

TTOS wrote:"so he got a free pitstop."

Like Rosberg, Hamilton , Vettel and any other cars that weren't retired?? How was Haas's advantage any different?
Because he doesnt want to see them succeed of course. ..nothing this team does will be good enough for anyone with a preconceived bias against HAAS.

I will say i couldnt believe the results at first. These points will be huge going forward. I dont expect them to maintain this level, but hopefully they will get a few more finishes in the points this year. I may actually go to the USGP this year.

One could also say haas were unlucky because they had a car retired...but that doesnt fit the rhetoric.

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Re: 2016 Haas F1 Team - Ferrari

Post by Raleigh » Mon Mar 21, 2016 7:28 pm

TTOS wrote:"so he got a free pitstop."

Like Rosberg, Hamilton , Vettel and any other cars that weren't retired?? How was Haas's advantage any different?
Because everyone else had just stopped for tires (at cost of about 25 sec), and had zero need for a free pitstop 2-3 laps after. For Haas the timing was absolutely perfect, if the red flag hadn't come they would have needed to make a normal 25sec pitstop and dropped down the order.

And yes, some other cars gained and lost because of timing, for example Ferrari lost out because stopping wiped out their lead, Mercedes gained the race win this way (and also because the stop made it possible to go to the end on medium tires) similarly Bottas lost out because he pitted on the safety car which then turned into a red flag.

It's just racing, there's good and bad luck.

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Re: 2016 Haas F1 Team - Ferrari

Post by bhall II » Mon Mar 21, 2016 8:03 pm

Speaking only for myself - though I wouldn't be surprised if a few of my compatriots harbored similar feelings - I just didn't want to Haas to embarrass himself and, by extension, me. So much of the American experience, or whatever you want to call it, tends to get way overhyped, which makes it a constant, if not wholly legitimate, source of derision. The last thing we need is another incompetent schmuck making an utter fool of himself while waving the flag.

My mantra for the last couple of years: [-o< Please don't don't be another USF1. [-o< Please don't be another USF1. [-o< Please don't be another USF1. [-o<

If Gene can cut down on the hyperbole a little bit - on Grosjean's drive yesterday: "Tyre strategy, saving your tyres, those are the kinds of things that make a driver a legend" - then everything will be fine.

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Re: 2016 Haas F1 Team - Ferrari

Post by strad » Mon Mar 21, 2016 9:53 pm

Funny you should mention that bhall II. Before the race I was talking with my wife and was telling her that I thought Gene was probably in that position astronauts and race drivers find themselves in where their only thought is "please don't let me screw up".
Except in this case it would be don't let US screw up.
I would have been happy with just that, so this is a bonus.
Will they be scoring points every race? Nice as that thought might be, I doubt it and will be happy if they just keep their noses clean. Hell they've already done better than many and obviously better than some like seeing. :wink:
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Re: 2016 Haas F1 Team - Ferrari

Post by continuum16 » Tue Mar 22, 2016 4:58 am

I would concede that they are a little overhyped, especially Gene, but to be fair if you had invested hundreds of millions of dollars to start a new team after the last teams to come were failures, I think it would be understandable to be overjoyed. After all they accomplished more in one race than 3 teams did in three years. Eventually Steiner will probably temper Gene a bit. They know they probably won't finish there the rest of the year, but let them have their fun for now I think.

Also, I'm curious as to when/how they'll start bringing updates to the car.
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