2018 Scuderia Toro Rosso F1 Team - Honda

[Soichiro]

MMMMMMMMM is obviously smoking something.

2017 fastest = Kyvat at 1:13.690
2018 fastest = Hartley at 1:12.635

That is over a 1 second improvement and had gasly not qualified on his old engine it might have been even faster.
Sauber had a significant amount of time to make up but even then leclerc is clearly faster then ericsson. Ericsson was slower in 2018 then in 2017 but leclerc was nearly 1.6 seconds faster in Q1 then him which shows what a difference a good driver can make.

Mclaren is a 1:13.693 vs 1:12.856 in comparison of 2017 to 18. That is only a 0.8 tenths improvement.
Red Bull is a 1:12.4 vs 1:10.937 which means max would have qualified ahead of Fernando with his slower 2017 car in 2018.

Did you equalise the tyres?

How about equalising the higher drag and weight too?

[techman]

personally i believe is now more powerful than the current renault. lets hope the update coming for france gives another 3 tenth. so basically a good net gain for french gp.

[Soichiro]

personally i believe is now more powerful than the current renault. lets hope the update coming for france gives another 3 tenth. so basically a good net gain for french gp.

There will be some more coming from the engine with better mappings and later fuel, too.

[makecry]

personally i believe is now more powerful than the current renault. lets hope the update coming for france gives another 3 tenth. so basically a good net gain for french gp.

You said the same thing months back.

And no, there won't be an upgrade that's worth 3/10ths so soon, it takes time. I am tbh, excited for RBR-Honda, want RIC to win that championship even though I want him to go to Ferrari and beat Vettel again but a championship would be just as good .

[Revs84]

MMMMMMMMM is obviously smoking something.

2017 fastest = Kyvat at 1:13.690
2018 fastest = Hartley at 1:12.635

That is over a 1 second improvement and had gasly not qualified on his old engine it might have been even faster.
Sauber had a significant amount of time to make up but even then leclerc is clearly faster then ericsson. Ericsson was slower in 2018 then in 2017 but leclerc was nearly 1.6 seconds faster in Q1 then him which shows what a difference a good driver can make.

Mclaren is a 1:13.693 vs 1:12.856 in comparison of 2017 to 18. That is only a 0.8 tenths improvement.
Red Bull is a 1:12.4 vs 1:10.937 which means max would have qualified ahead of Fernando with his slower 2017 car in 2018.

Some of it is down to the tires. Hypersoft being a bit faster than last year's ultra soft. The tires being worth the better part of a second. In other words the improvement over last year is smaller than you think. The new Honda engine is guaranteed .3 seconds faster than last year's Renault.

Teams use tyres which suit their package best during quali so I don't see the need of equalizing tyres. Maybe only during Q2, but still, most midfield teams resort to the quickest tyres anyways. Usually it's mostly Mercedes and Ferrari who use the 2nd best tyre.

[techman]

i am thinking whether those wings on top of the halo are any good. redbull and mercedes not running them, now we saw renault removing them for canada. i just think they dont have much benefit rather add more drag.

[carisi2k]

MMMMMMMMM is obviously smoking something.

2017 fastest = Kyvat at 1:13.690
2018 fastest = Hartley at 1:12.635

That is over a 1 second improvement and had gasly not qualified on his old engine it might have been even faster.
Sauber had a significant amount of time to make up but even then leclerc is clearly faster then ericsson. Ericsson was slower in 2018 then in 2017 but leclerc was nearly 1.6 seconds faster in Q1 then him which shows what a difference a good driver can make.

Mclaren is a 1:13.693 vs 1:12.856 in comparison of 2017 to 18. That is only a 0.8 tenths improvement.
Red Bull is a 1:12.4 vs 1:10.937 which means max would have qualified ahead of Fernando with his slower 2017 car in 2018.

Some of it is down to the tires. Hypersoft being a bit faster than last year's ultra soft. The tires being worth the better part of a second. In other words the improvement over last year is smaller than you think. The new Honda engine is guaranteed .3 seconds faster than last year's Renault.

my point is that MMMMMMMM said that Toro Rosso was slower in 2018 vs 2017 which is clearly not the case.

[carisi2k]

i am thinking whether those wings on top of the halo are any good. redbull and mercedes not running them, now we saw renault removing them for canada. i just think they dont have much benefit rather add more drag.

Red Bull and Mercedes might not have winglets but they have shaped the halo.

[McMika98]

Red Bull and Mercedes might not have winglets but they have shaped the halo.

Exactly. The halo looks sculpted and i guess they have also reduced the weight of the structure. It isnt easy as they have to prove the structural integrity. Why dont TR just ask RedBull to use their halo, that way the aero team dont have to waste time and apply it elsewhere. TR needs to seriously go Haas and use as much RedBull parts and resources as possible.

[etusch]

Red Bull and Mercedes might not have winglets but they have shaped the halo.

Exactly. The halo looks sculpted and i guess they have also reduced the weight of the structure. It isnt easy as they have to prove the structural integrity. Why dont TR just ask RedBull to use their halo, that way the aero team dont have to waste time and apply it elsewhere. TR needs to seriously go Haas and use as much RedBull parts and resources as possible.

Haas and TR are different. Haas is a team from Zero. TR is driver and engineer school for Redbull. So using too much redbull parts will not help.

[techman]

Exactly. The halo looks sculpted and i guess they have also reduced the weight of the structure. It isnt easy as they have to prove the structural integrity. Why dont TR just ask RedBull to use their halo, that way the aero team dont have to waste time and apply it elsewhere. TR needs to seriously go Haas and use as much RedBull parts and resources as possible.

thats what should be done, copy the redbull but do a few adjustment so the FIA doesnt complain.

[McMika98]

Haas and TR are different. Haas is a team from Zero. TR is driver and engineer school for Redbull. So using too much redbull parts will not help.

Beg to differ. TR have one of the smallest budget and so have to be extremely effective. They cant develop a component to same level of RedBull or Ferrari, each component when fully assembled makes the difference. Besides why even use what limited resource on such stuff if you can get a refined product through alliances.

[loner]

its time for RBR to provide STR with few tenths , Honda delivered...
one has to wonder about Tost saying STR will have a competitive car second half of the season.
i assume its RBR turn now.

[Wouter]

During the first races it was a bit of a scan how the chassis worked together with the new engine. Now that they know that, they can improve the chassis at a fast pace. They also receive financial support for this. From Honda certainly, maybe also from RB. In France there will be a considerable upgrade.

[Big Tea]

During the first races it was a bit of a scan how the chassis worked together with the new engine. Now that they know that, they can improve the chassis at a fast pace. They also receive financial support for this. From Honda certainly, maybe also from RB. In France there will be a considerable upgrade.

I agree. Establish a base camp so you know how high you are starting and what your original problems are.
Develop the low hanging fruit first then get the tweezers out when you know you are picking in the right place.