hape wrote: ↑25 Oct 2020, 17:18
cheeRS wrote: ↑25 Oct 2020, 05:08
Unf wrote: ↑24 Oct 2020, 18:14
Is there any one who have a clue what the hell is going on with Vettel?
1. He forgot how to drive?
2. He just does not give a s*it?
3. He is trying to revange Ferrari for being kicked out and do it in purpose?
4. He has totally no skill to adapt to the car that he doesn't like to?
The gap in performance between him and Leclerc is unexplainable...
The gap is only "unexplainable" ( I think you mean inexplicable) if you're a Ferrari fanboy. If you're not a Ferrari fanboy (you ARE logical/reasonable) you can easily see the lack of support and complete undermining of Vettel. You might think this is far fetched, but Ferrari have effectivley made Vettel their scapegoat after the engine scandal of last year. Ferrari have written off this season from race 1. Last year Vettel and Leclerc were relatively well matched. This year it is more lopsided than can be believed. Did Vettel just randomly lose all the skills that made him a 4-time WDC? Did a young Leclerc just destroy him that conclusively?
Here's the reality and I'd love it if someone could prove otherwise: After his engine-related retirement at the Russian GP of 2019, Vettel said "bring back the v12s" aka, these v6 hybrids suck and are unreliable. What's the problem with that? Well, Vettel said that message publically for all to hear. A big slap in the face to the crappy Ferrari hybrid engine. Well, guess who was head of the Ferrari engine department since 2013? Hmmm...... some guy named MATTIA BINOTTO. He took it personally. Since that race, Ferrari hasn't been the same, for Vettel. Binotto took it personal as a petty, immature Italian and couldn't let it go. Vettel ruined his reputation in 10 seconds during that radio message and Binotto is on a vendetta to ruin Vettel's reputation.
It's petty, it's sad, but anyone who has any idea of how things operate at Ferrari know what's going on. Think about it - they sacked 5-times WDC Alain Prost because of a shitty Ferrari car, they (according to rumors) sacked Schumacher because of a --- car in 2005-2006. In Ferrari, there is too much worship of their own name, too much **** ** Enzo's ***. Someone prove me wrong. Please, I'd love to hear it.
At least you gave me a good laugh with your “reality”, however I see it quite differently. Maybe you can have a good laugh at my post.
In my opinion Vettel was good, yes he was good when the cars had a double diffuser and were planted at the rear. Since the hybrid era he lost big time to Ricciardo who was a newbie at the RedBull team. Vettel should have been better because he had the experience in the team.
Once at Ferrari, yes, Vettel was most of the times faster than Raikkonen but not to the same extend as Alonso was faster than Raikkonen.
In 2019 Vettel started as the nr1 at the team, Leclerc being the newbie at the team however showed more and more pace over the year, ending with more points in the championship. And if not for having engine troubles while leading the Bahrein GP it would have been even worse.
Vettel has shown so many times (even at RedBull) he cracks under pressure. Spinning his car like a rookie, far too many lock-ups ruining his tyres and yes...then you will be even more slower, etc, etc.
Furthermore, Ferrari need every point this year because of the terrible car they built. Every point could mean a lot of money in the end. Also, this year ends already bad and if next year will be the same, it’s exit for binotto. But you think he (binotto) wants to dig his own grave by blocking Vettel scoring points ? Instead of finishing 4th and 5th he likes a 4th and no points from Vettel?
I appreciate you reading my post. I know it may ruffle some feathers, but I mean no offense and so I will respond to you with respect and no bad intent.
I think the best way to objectively consider what is going on at Ferrari is to take a step back and consider some facts.
1. Some are mentioning how Riccardo bested Vettel at RB in 2014 and that Vettel was "lucky" during 2010-2013. Who was his teammate during 2010-2013? Webber, an impeccible race driver and multiple race winner. In fact, he almost won the WDC in 2010. No slouch. I think the reality is that Riccardo is a top 4-5 driver in F1 right now and has really come to shine in the hybrid cars, whereas Vettel did better in the V8s. I don't think it's fair to say because Riccardo beat him, Vettel was not worthly of his WDCs.
2. From 2015-early 2019, Vettel vastly outperformed another WDC, Kimi. You could say that it wasn't the same Kimi of 2007, etc. etc, but Vettel had some really good shots at the WDC those years. Just another fact to consider when assessing Vettel's racing pedigree.
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3. Vettel seems to lose focus on the important points. Ramming into Hamilton at Baku, the crash in Singapore with Max and Kimi. He seemed to inherit the Ferrari sense of dignity, honor, and pride, but it caused him to make mistakes. I feel sometimes (2015-2019) he tries to hard to be Italian, too hard to be a Schumacher, and it hurt him. He could have ran away with the WDC in 2018 but he did throw it away.
4. Look at Vettel and Leclerc in 2019. I think everyone will agree that they were pretty evenly matched. In fact, they were less than 1 race win apart when the season ended. Leclerc beat him, but that doesn't mean he instantly became a bad driver and his charade was up. Look at Hamilton and Alonso. Technically, Hamilton beat Alonso in his rookie year, but to this day no one thinks that Alonso is a bad (or lucky) driver. I think it just shows that Leclerc is a generational talent, likely on par with Max.
5. Vettel is a 4 time WDC. He's had the highs and the lows. He's raced with the big boys. He's been controversial. Why then, has 2020 been so bad for him. A driver who wins 4 WDCs has the mental toughness to compete even when times are tough. Yeah, even I would say Leclerc is better, but for Leclerc to qualify 4th or 5th, and Vettel to be 15th... it doesn't pass the sniff test. Leclerc has totally destroyed Vettel if you just look at the numbers. I'd say the only explanation could be that the car 100% suits Leclerc's style and 0% suits Vettel's preferences. I really don't think Vettel has "given up" or has become "unmotivated".
