2021 Red Bull Racing F1 Team

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Can't say I'm surprised.

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This wasn't necesarry. If Max could have continued and Lewis couldn't, fine, a 10s penalty as in Silverstone would be just. But grid penalties should not be applied for racing incidents.

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This wasn't necesarry. If Max could have continued and Lewis couldn't, fine, a 10s penalty as in Silverstone would be just. But grid penalties should not be applied for racing incidents.

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DChemTech wrote:
12 Sep 2021, 19:37
This wasn't necesarry. If Max could have continued and Lewis couldn't, fine, a 10s penalty as in Silverstone would be just. But grid penalties should not be applied for racing incidents.
He probably would have gotten a time penalty if he had continued on, but since he didn't finish the stewards automatically resort to grid penalties at the next race.
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Is anyone else confused by Perez's lack for race smarts, for a renowned racer? Especially when Perez made the same judgement twice -- not to immediately give the place back after cutting a corner, when most seasoned racers would immediately give the back and then get back on with racing. Most curious. :)

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12 Sep 2021, 17:21
Perez has been a total dud because of his qualifying issues. He is so slow that he always have to crazy recovery drives, huge overtakes which increases risk of car damage, penalties & isn't good for tyre management.
He still would have scored the podium if not for his tactical decision to keep places gained by corner cutting. But even so that would be 3 podiums for Perez vs 8 podiums for Bottas (or 7 if Perez had scored this podium), so Perez doesn't seem to be performing as well as Bottas over the season.

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It was a racing incident which could have ended very differently if either driver wanted to. Can't blame either of them really. 3 place penalty isn't that bad especially in Sochi.

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JordanMugen wrote:
12 Sep 2021, 19:56
Is anyone else confused by Perez's lack for race smarts, for a renowned racer? Especially when Perez made the same judgement twice -- not to immediately give the place back after cutting a corner, when most seasoned racers would immediately give the back and then get back on with racing. Most curious. :)

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12 Sep 2021, 17:21
Perez has been a total dud because of his qualifying issues. He is so slow that he always have to crazy recovery drives, huge overtakes which increases risk of car damage, penalties & isn't good for tyre management.
He still would have scored the podium if not for his tactical decision to keep places gained by corner cutting. But even so that would be 3 podiums for Perez vs 8 podiums for Bottas (or 7 if Perez had scored this podium), so Perez doesn't seem to be performing as well as Bottas over the season.
I agree. He has the aggressiveness but just lacks a bit of pace.

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Gillian wrote:
12 Sep 2021, 20:01
It was a racing incident which could have ended very differently if either driver wanted to. Can't blame either of them really. 3 place penalty isn't that bad especially in Sochi.
right. and I think they are planning to take a new PU in Sochi as well so he was going to start at the back anyway.

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I think it will depend on their pace in Sochi. Imagine a few more of these incidents and they don't even need another engine. I'm kidding... Kinda

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Ryar wrote:
12 Sep 2021, 18:39
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12 Sep 2021, 17:13
Do you think that pitstop was slow because of the new regulations, was the wheel on but the gun was showing error ?
It was told on Sky that, the problem caused today was due to manual intervention now needed to signal the tyre change from each of the crews, which up until a few races back, was sensor based. So, one can say, the recent FIA TD, induced this mess.
So one can argue that Merc succesfully poured sand in the mill of RB with their pushing for the wheel gun regulation change.

Still VER was after his 11 s pit stop very close to HAM after both pit stops. Does anyone know the lap time of the outlap of VER? That must have mega, otherwise the wouldn't be so close.

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DChemTech wrote:
12 Sep 2021, 19:37
This wasn't necesarry. If Max could have continued and Lewis couldn't, fine, a 10s penalty as in Silverstone would be just. But grid penalties should not be applied for racing incidents.
But the stewards have decided that it wasn't a racing incident. They have apportioned blame more to one driver than the other, hence the penalty.
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TNTHead wrote:
12 Sep 2021, 21:15
Ryar wrote:
12 Sep 2021, 18:39
isullivan wrote:
12 Sep 2021, 17:13
Do you think that pitstop was slow because of the new regulations, was the wheel on but the gun was showing error ?
It was told on Sky that, the problem caused today was due to manual intervention now needed to signal the tyre change from each of the crews, which up until a few races back, was sensor based. So, one can say, the recent FIA TD, induced this mess.
So one can argue that Merc succesfully poured sand in the mill of RB with their pushing for the wheel gun regulation change.

Still VER was after his 11 s pit stop very close to HAM after both pit stops. Does anyone know the lap time of the outlap of VER? That must have mega, otherwise the wouldn't be so close.
Hamilton had a 4 second stop. Max 11. And Max was like 6 seconds ahead?
He lost 7 seconds to Lewis in the pits and maybe had an outlap about 1 to 2 seconds a lap faster?
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Gillian wrote:
12 Sep 2021, 20:02
JordanMugen wrote:
12 Sep 2021, 19:56
Is anyone else confused by Perez's lack for race smarts, for a renowned racer? Especially when Perez made the same judgement twice -- not to immediately give the place back after cutting a corner, when most seasoned racers would immediately give the back and then get back on with racing. Most curious. :)

Mr.S wrote:
12 Sep 2021, 17:21
Perez has been a total dud because of his qualifying issues. He is so slow that he always have to crazy recovery drives, huge overtakes which increases risk of car damage, penalties & isn't good for tyre management.
He still would have scored the podium if not for his tactical decision to keep places gained by corner cutting. But even so that would be 3 podiums for Perez vs 8 podiums for Bottas (or 7 if Perez had scored this podium), so Perez doesn't seem to be performing as well as Bottas over the season.
I agree. He has the aggressiveness but just lacks a bit of pace.
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With Checo, he was desperately unlucky and we felt it was very marginal given there was no instruction from the race office to give the position back. We had to make a decision whether or not to get on with the race, and so we got our heads down and then Checo was handed the penalty.

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Perez did the best he could, although I agree with the general sentiment that he could have done things differently, so could Max, and Lewis, however they didn't. It goes to show that you can't force your way through the grid, you have to let the situation come to you. One thing Alonso has over the rest of the field, is that awareness that everyone else lacks. Almost like he knows how to be in the right place at the right time before anything happens. That strategic sense is one thing that makes him such a complete driver.

Verstappen's luck yesterday of starting on pole, and Riccardo's win are the result of the same thing, just being ready for whatever may come and being flexible enough to seize the moment. Then, you just do what you're good at, and everything kind of just falls into place.

We saw that when Hamilton and Vettel went on their crazy win streaks, sure the car was faster than the competition but their teammates didn't fare so well, they won and made it look easy.
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