2021 Red Bull Racing F1 Team

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politburo wrote:
Sat Dec 04, 2021 12:00 pm
Is there such a thing as a Friday engine, isn't it Friday gearbox?
Friday engine would be the one with the most mileage in your pool

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bosyber wrote:
Sat Dec 04, 2021 12:11 pm
politburo wrote:
Sat Dec 04, 2021 10:49 am
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Sat Dec 04, 2021 5:12 am
I do not see Max beating Lewis around either Jeddah or the revised Abu Dhabi on pure pace. These circuits simply suit Mercedes far too much. They are power sensitive, smooth and grippy tarmac, etc…

He needs luck to go his way, but he’s up against the most blessed driver himself :wink: so that doesn’t seem very likely.
The problem is that he's fighting alone, whilst Perez is languishing with the upper midfield. The best luck they can get is Perez starting 4th. Perez can then go into T1 a bit more aggressively and gain track position on maybe Bottas, thus when Hamilton wants to pit, they can place Perez as a legal roadblock and ask him to defend aggressively or use more aggressive deployment to try and defend.

This is literally the only chance. Otherwise, Hamilton will win this race just as easily as the Qatar race, and with exception of a miracle in Abu Dhabi, it would be the same there. All this plus the fact they must as score more points than Merc if they wish to stay realistically competitive in the WCC going into Abu Dhabi next weekend as well.
But when the Mercedes in Hamilton's hands is faster all around that doesn't actually buy them too much, especially if they are also equal or better on tyres (look for Zandvoort for that scenario, but switched around).
If it faster in Qualy then it will buy them race win, I cannot see Verstappen keeping up with the W12 if he starts behind.
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politburo wrote:
Sat Dec 04, 2021 1:02 pm
bosyber wrote:
Sat Dec 04, 2021 12:11 pm


But when the Mercedes in Hamilton's hands is faster all around that doesn't actually buy them too much, especially if they are also equal or better on tyres (look for Zandvoort for that scenario, but switched around).
If it faster in Qualy then it will buy them race win, I cannot see Verstappen keeping up with the W12 if he starts behind.
I think same with W12. In a normal weekend it can not keep up with Redbull

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etusch wrote:
Sat Dec 04, 2021 1:04 pm
politburo wrote:
Sat Dec 04, 2021 1:02 pm
bosyber wrote:
Sat Dec 04, 2021 12:11 pm


But when the Mercedes in Hamilton's hands is faster all around that doesn't actually buy them too much, especially if they are also equal or better on tyres (look for Zandvoort for that scenario, but switched around).
If it faster in Qualy then it will buy them race win, I cannot see Verstappen keeping up with the W12 if he starts behind.
I think same with W12. In a normal weekend it can not keep up with Redbull
Gone are those days of normal weekends. We're now at the mercy of Mercedes and Hamilton, only chance is if they make a mistake or are hampered by traffic or a late yellow/red flag after bottling it earlier in Q3, but the chances of either one of such occurrences happening in Q3 are quite low. (apart from the yellow/red flags)
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politburo wrote:
Sat Dec 04, 2021 1:21 pm
etusch wrote:
Sat Dec 04, 2021 1:04 pm
politburo wrote:
Sat Dec 04, 2021 1:02 pm


If it faster in Qualy then it will buy them race win, I cannot see Verstappen keeping up with the W12 if he starts behind.
I think same with W12. In a normal weekend it can not keep up with Redbull
Gone are those days of normal weekends. We're now at the mercy of Mercedes and Hamilton, only chance is if they make a mistake or are hampered by traffic or a late yellow/red flag after bottling it earlier in Q3, but the chances of either one of such occurrences happening in Q3 are quite low. (apart from the yellow/red flags)
Mercedes and Hamilton are guys to beated. they are big just in your head

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etusch wrote:
Sat Dec 04, 2021 1:39 pm
politburo wrote:
Sat Dec 04, 2021 1:21 pm
etusch wrote:
Sat Dec 04, 2021 1:04 pm

I think same with W12. In a normal weekend it can not keep up with Redbull
Gone are those days of normal weekends. We're now at the mercy of Mercedes and Hamilton, only chance is if they make a mistake or are hampered by traffic or a late yellow/red flag after bottling it earlier in Q3, but the chances of either one of such occurrences happening in Q3 are quite low. (apart from the yellow/red flags)
Mercedes and Hamilton are guys to beated. they are big just in your head
Sorry but you're wrong. Underdogs are not 3-4 tenths faster.
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politburo wrote:
Sat Dec 04, 2021 3:30 pm
etusch wrote:
Sat Dec 04, 2021 1:39 pm
politburo wrote:
Sat Dec 04, 2021 1:21 pm


Gone are those days of normal weekends. We're now at the mercy of Mercedes and Hamilton, only chance is if they make a mistake or are hampered by traffic or a late yellow/red flag after bottling it earlier in Q3, but the chances of either one of such occurrences happening in Q3 are quite low. (apart from the yellow/red flags)
Mercedes and Hamilton are guys to beated. they are big just in your head
Sorry but you're wrong. Underdogs are not 3-4 tenths faster.
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MtthsMlw wrote:
Sat Dec 04, 2021 12:51 pm
politburo wrote:
Sat Dec 04, 2021 12:00 pm
Is there such a thing as a Friday engine, isn't it Friday gearbox?
Friday engine would be the one with the most mileage in your pool
Remember there is only a 2 hour window before qualli here so this has to be the actual race car I assume
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Big Tea wrote:
Sat Dec 04, 2021 4:13 pm
MtthsMlw wrote:
Sat Dec 04, 2021 12:51 pm
politburo wrote:
Sat Dec 04, 2021 12:00 pm
Is there such a thing as a Friday engine, isn't it Friday gearbox?
Friday engine would be the one with the most mileage in your pool
Remember there is only a 2 hour window before qualli here so this has to be the actual race car I assume
Yeah. Only minor changes from now to Qualy. If it continues that Verstappen is the fastest on the soft then he might have a chance in Q3.
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Hope the car is ok to go tomorrow. Definitely have the pace to win.
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godlameroso wrote:
Sat Dec 04, 2021 9:35 pm
Hope the car is ok to go tomorrow. Definitely have the pace to win.
Undercut 4 the win!

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That Verstappen lap was stunning until the final corner. Hard to judge what will happen because Verstappens FP was focused on qualifying. Can go very long on mediums so no sure about undercutting. If he gets a penalty for any repairs it will be difficult, but I have a feeling there will be at least a single safety car.

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Didn’t look to be a big shunt to me- I’d be really surprised if any issues with the gearbox?

As people have said, safety car timings will dictate everything tomorrow.

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Mansell89 wrote:
Sat Dec 04, 2021 10:00 pm
Didn’t look to be a big shunt to me- I’d be really surprised if any issues with the gearbox?

As people have said, safety car timings will dictate everything tomorrow.
I don't think so either but you never know.

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Wow, that was a big moment and a seldomly seen small error of Max on a lap that really counted. Starting on a back foot, Max needs to stay out of the mayhem and have some luck, (or call it blessings) on his hard work.