Honda Power Unit Hardware & Software

All that has to do with the power train, gearbox, clutch, fuels and lubricants, etc. Generally the mechanical side of Formula One.
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Nice. The heads are definitely taller if you look are the rib on top if the valve cover to the rear bolt mount.
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The lock wire in that second picture is awful amazed that someone deemed it ok.
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That is amazingly bad locking wire.
Although I'm more amazed they're still using locking wire. What is this, the 60s?

edit: Thinking about it, could be part of the tagging system for the FIA?

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simieski wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 16, 2021 7:22 am
The lock wire in that second picture is awful amazed that someone deemed it ok.
It's ugly but it did the job. I'm more interested in what are those two bolts and why they in particular are more vulnerable to loosening than the typical bolt on the engine.
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PhillipM wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 16, 2021 12:25 pm
That is amazingly bad locking wire.
Although I'm more amazed they're still using locking wire. What is this, the 60s?

edit: Thinking about it, could be part of the tagging system for the FIA?
Lockwire is still very effective in certain situations. It is poorly done though.

Engine sealing is done that way, but usually there is a tag (maybe even with a barcode) on them. I don’t see that.

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I mean generally even best case you're going to lose half your clamping torque before lockwire gets enough tension to prevent further rotation. It's okay for stuff where the bolt coming out is a big issue but anything high performance you're better off with adhesives and nordlocks these days.

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Hoffman900 wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 16, 2021 2:11 pm
PhillipM wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 16, 2021 12:25 pm
That is amazingly bad locking wire.
Although I'm more amazed they're still using locking wire. What is this, the 60s?

edit: Thinking about it, could be part of the tagging system for the FIA?
Lockwire is still very effective in certain situations. It is poorly done though.

Engine sealing is done that way, but usually there is a tag (maybe even with a barcode) on them. I don’t see that.
There's an FIA sticker right next to it.

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bigblue wrote: ↑
Sun Oct 17, 2021 12:11 am
Hoffman900 wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 16, 2021 2:11 pm
PhillipM wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 16, 2021 12:25 pm
That is amazingly bad locking wire.
Although I'm more amazed they're still using locking wire. What is this, the 60s?

edit: Thinking about it, could be part of the tagging system for the FIA?
Lockwire is still very effective in certain situations. It is poorly done though.

Engine sealing is done that way, but usually there is a tag (maybe even with a barcode) on them. I don’t see that.
There's an FIA sticker right next to it.
Yeah, I’m thinking that is one of their seals.

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subcritical71 wrote: ↑
Mon Oct 18, 2021 5:32 pm
bigblue wrote: ↑
Sun Oct 17, 2021 12:11 am
Hoffman900 wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 16, 2021 2:11 pm


Lockwire is still very effective in certain situations. It is poorly done though.

Engine sealing is done that way, but usually there is a tag (maybe even with a barcode) on them. I don’t see that.
There's an FIA sticker right next to it.
Yeah, I’m thinking that is one of their seals.
I see it now, and I agree.

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etusch wrote: ↑
Mon Oct 18, 2021 7:43 pm
The front of the valve cover looks like the 2020 version and not the narrow one that we saw preseason. Its seems this display engine does not have some of the current developments to protect from prying eyes.
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Hoffman900 wrote: ↑
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subcritical71 wrote: ↑
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bigblue wrote: ↑
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There's an FIA sticker right next to it.
Yeah, I’m thinking that is one of their seals.
I see it now, and I agree.
I would think they would put the seal across splitlines of components so they would know if the seal/component was tampered with.
If not, what would stop teams from opening up their engines and freshening them up?

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Roostfactor wrote: ↑
Thu Oct 21, 2021 6:40 am
I would think they would put the seal across splitlines of components so they would know if the seal/component was tampered with.
If not, what would stop teams from opening up their engines and freshening them up?
I think the threat of punishment.

Honestly, given the fabrication abilities of these teams I trust that if they were sufficiently motivated they could remove and replace any seal without being caught if they really wanted to deceive the FIA.