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My understand is that part of the engine upgrades from Honda is new engine mounts, the permanent vibration fix, that might require slight chassis mods. That might make new parts incompatible with the current config. That is my guess.
I would assume that too. If it is going to be a B-spec car, let it truly be a B-spec car so that they have some idea on development for 2027.
the reason aston need spec b is because his aggressive approach with honda pu layout has backfired so do his suspension layout
People are calling it a "B-spec" but we don't know if it is a true B-spec. Newey said they just decided to take their time cause the current chassis was rushed for Australia and release all the updates as one. To be honest, I don't even know how heavily modified the front or rear suspension needs to be to qualify as a b-spec.
I would assume that too. If it is going to be a B-spec car, let it truly be a B-spec car so that they have some idea on development for 2027.
the reason aston need spec b is because his aggressive approach with honda pu layout has backfired so do his suspension layout
People are calling it a "B-spec" but we don't know if it is a true B-spec. Newey said they just decided to take their time cause the current chassis was rushed for Australia and release all the updates as one. To be honest, I don't even know how heavily modified the front or rear suspension needs to be to qualify as a b-spec.
i think a true b-spec means a different chassis. if they have to change to mate better to hondas PU thats one thing, but whether the car will start with a different development path is debatable. i dont think we have enough info to know whether the suspension is needing to be changed. the PU, mguk induced engine braking problems and gearbox clouds everything really. its like trying to solve a rubics cube with your eyes closed from where were sitting.
They are miles away on power from Audi and Ferrari. Because of the deployment rules in Monaco the ICE deficit is exposed even more clearly. The telemetry is unlike anything I’ve seen on this track, 50+ HP to the nearest rival no doubt.
Considering the gearbox issues Alonso and team members have been talking about all weekend, it should be no surprise they'd be running conservative in the FP sessions. Not to mention their PU parts pool concerns. Constant issues with gear sync, overall lack of grip, and running very marginal on cooling would also help explain these differences.
It's a real difference and we appreciate you sharing the telemetry, but the context is important as always.
thats great, so the team has fooled all the judges into thinking the power unit is bad enough to recieve the highest ADUO level (and actually create a new higher level of assistance just for them) just by turning the engine down. i never realized how clueless the FIA were.
in a completely unrelated story, my 3 month old honda hornet sp motorcycle is being recalled to replace the motor that burns 2 liters of oil every 500 miles under regular usage. theres irony in there somewhere
Sky Sports News has seen the document which states Mercedes are more than two per cent behind Red Bull's power unit, so will be given one engine upgrade this year, while Ferrari, Audi and Honda will be given two upgrades as they are deemed to be more than four per cent adrift of Red Bull.
The Honda being 6-8% off comes from Autoracer's sources.
Doesn't take a genius to start with a base HP number then calculate 6% then 8% off of that and come up with a range that will be fairly accurate.
Yeah, they just used 600 and percentages of that in the tweet. If you guesstimate the RB at 570 instead, 6 and 8% would be 34.2 and 45.6.
I don't know if we will get any actual numbers, or if we get to know if Honda is in the 6-8% bracket or not, but if the sources are correct, it should be somewhere between 30 and 50hp off the RB ICE engine.
Doesn't take a genius to start with a base HP number then calculate 6% then 8% off of that and come up with a range that will be fairly accurate.
Yeah, they just used 600 and percentages of that in the tweet. If you guesstimate the RB at 570 instead, 6 and 8% would be 34.2 and 45.6.
I don't know if we will get any actual numbers, or if we get to know if Honda is in the 6-8% bracket or not, but if the sources are correct, it should be somewhere between 30 and 50hp off the RB ICE engine.
I think some of the issues they're talking about as gearbox problems are actually Honda drivability issues. The accident Stroll had yesterday, where he kept getting drive while on the brakes—a problem Alonso has also talked about—is likely a software glitch.
When the MGU-K is used for rear braking, it has to keep reducing the car's speed at a constant rate, as demanded by the brake pedal. Downshifting causes the amount of braking torque to increase, so the MGU-K has to compensate for that while remaining completely transparent to the driver. It also has to behave differently when the battery is full, since it can no longer recover energy in the same way.
Adrian says after Melbourne a decision was made to not do small updates at all, instead they decided to take their time to put systems in place,do the research much more carefully because car was rushed for Australia, take the shortterm pain and than make bigger steps whit update.
It's expected before summer break,so in Belgium.
Tactical masterstroke by Honda, if you're gonna suck, you better suck hard.
Anyway, no-one knows what deficit band they're in, just they are more than 4% off. If I understand correctly, it seems when the official documents are out, they're not going to name the bands each manufacturer is in, just how many upgrades they're allowed. So we'll know Red Bull are the benchmark, Mercedes are 2% to 4% off (by the unknown metric the FIA has used) since they get one upgrade, and everyone else is greater than 4% since they get two. But which band they fall in, and hence the number of extra dyno hours and spending allowance is going to be unknown.
Regarding the rumour above that they are in the 6% to 8% range, that would put Honda outside (some of?) the special buckets pretty much created for Honda (8% to 10%, over 10%). Personally I don't put much faith in the rumour, but nobody knows at the moment, and seemingly it'll take someone leaking (or admitting) something to find out.
There's also something funny about the highest (or was it the two highest) buckets, where you're allowed even more spending, but it comes out of a future year's allowance. Also a manufacturer can't upgrade whatever they want between seasons without ADUO, I think ICE and electrical alternate. These rules are crazy complicated.
I wish they were given a budget and just allowed to get on with whatever they want. Just maybe with a budget uplift if you're way adrift, but even that is arguable.
I don't know how long it's been like that but Juan Pablo Montoya was taking about it as a known thing at Monaco. Juan Pablo Montoya last raced in Formula 1 in 2006. Like I said "lobotomies".
