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codetower wrote:
Fri Sep 10, 2021 9:47 pm
Interesting article over at the race regarding the engine upgrade. Binoto says he is still unsure when it will be ready. Apparently its "brand new technology on the hybrid side" which still need homologations and certifications among other things.

On a positive note, he said "It will be as soon as possible because we believe that running it as much as we can this season will be of interest for the next season.". this goes against my theory that they would wait as long as possible to not over-run it and need a 5th. I suppose they WANT to see how durable it is. Maybe we WILL see it before Turkey. [-o<

https://the-race.com/formula-1/ferrari- ... -be-ready/
Won't homologation give away the "brand new" tech to the opposition tho?
Toto definitely has his hands up in the fia pockets

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ryaan2904 wrote:
Sat Sep 11, 2021 5:35 pm
codetower wrote:
Fri Sep 10, 2021 9:47 pm
Interesting article over at the race regarding the engine upgrade. Binoto says he is still unsure when it will be ready. Apparently its "brand new technology on the hybrid side" which still need homologations and certifications among other things.

On a positive note, he said "It will be as soon as possible because we believe that running it as much as we can this season will be of interest for the next season.". this goes against my theory that they would wait as long as possible to not over-run it and need a 5th. I suppose they WANT to see how durable it is. Maybe we WILL see it before Turkey. [-o<

https://the-race.com/formula-1/ferrari- ... -be-ready/
Won't homologation give away the "brand new" tech to the opposition tho?
Toto definitely has his hands up in the fia pockets
I thought something along these lines also. I believe Homologation will simply mean it’s “Set in stone” for Ferrari, no further updates… but still THEIR intellectual property. If not, then all teams would have access to all other teams’ engine specs year after year. I’m not sure how the Homologation works, so maybe someone else can explain it better.

What I did think about was Ferrari giving this to other teams like Haas or Alfa Romeo, and THEM giving up the tech to competitors. I would imagine that if this is new tech for 2022, they would keep it strictly for themselves. Their engine contracts with other teams probably allows them ONLY the 2021 engine as is today should they need a 4th

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codetower wrote:
Sat Sep 11, 2021 5:44 pm
ryaan2904 wrote:
Sat Sep 11, 2021 5:35 pm
codetower wrote:
Fri Sep 10, 2021 9:47 pm
Interesting article over at the race regarding the engine upgrade. Binoto says he is still unsure when it will be ready. Apparently its "brand new technology on the hybrid side" which still need homologations and certifications among other things.

On a positive note, he said "It will be as soon as possible because we believe that running it as much as we can this season will be of interest for the next season.". this goes against my theory that they would wait as long as possible to not over-run it and need a 5th. I suppose they WANT to see how durable it is. Maybe we WILL see it before Turkey. [-o<

https://the-race.com/formula-1/ferrari- ... -be-ready/
Won't homologation give away the "brand new" tech to the opposition tho?
Toto definitely has his hands up in the fia pockets
I thought something along these lines also. I believe Homologation will simply mean it’s “Set in stone” for Ferrari, no further updates… but still THEIR intellectual property. If not, then all teams would have access to all other teams’ engine specs year after year. I’m not sure how the Homologation works, so maybe someone else can explain it better.

What I did think about was Ferrari giving this to other teams like Haas or Alfa Romeo, and THEM giving up the tech to competitors. I would imagine that if this is new tech for 2022, they would keep it strictly for themselves. Their engine contracts with other teams probably allows them ONLY the 2021 engine as is today should they need a 4th
"IP" is just for saying tho, once Ferrari gets the certification for its new components, teams like mercedes definitely will get to know "what/where exactly" they've upgraded. That's one big give away, especially when the electrical systems are not being homologated until September next year.

They knew what ferrari were doing EVERY year. In 2018, 2019, they were straight on point with their "queries" about the ferrari PU.
That's one thing I really hate about toto :|

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ryaan2904 wrote:
Sat Sep 11, 2021 6:48 pm

"IP" is just for saying tho, once Ferrari gets the certification for its new components, teams like mercedes definitely will get to know "what/where exactly" they've upgraded. That's one big give away, especially when the electrical systems are not being homologated until September next year.

They knew what ferrari were doing EVERY year. In 2018, 2019, they were straight on point with their "queries" about the ferrari PU.
That's one thing I really hate about toto :|
Don't the teams have anything “secret” though? Im sure there are insiders, leaked info and such… but i don’t imagine everything is public knowledge once you buckle in the engine. And even if Toto sees what they are doing, it’s not likely they can develop, test, and implement within the next 4 months. Isn't everything locked for 2022 in come January?

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The electrical parts will be homologated on September 2022

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ryaan2904 wrote:
Sat Sep 11, 2021 6:48 pm


They knew what ferrari were doing EVERY year. In 2018, 2019, they were straight on point with their "queries" about the ferrari PU.
That's one thing I really hate about toto :|
Wasn't Sassi who spilled the beans, so they basically knew where to aim?

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F1NAC wrote:
Mon Sep 13, 2021 10:42 am
ryaan2904 wrote:
Sat Sep 11, 2021 6:48 pm


They knew what ferrari were doing EVERY year. In 2018, 2019, they were straight on point with their "queries" about the ferrari PU.
That's one thing I really hate about toto :|
Wasn't Sassi who spilled the beans, so they basically knew where to aim?
Which is the base of my concern. With Ferrari bringing the new technology this year, how easy is it for rivals to get their hands on this tech? Would they need an insider like Lorenzo Sassi to divulge this new technology, or once it's out there, it becomes public knowledge? I would think for this year, these upgrades would stay exclusively with Ferrari, not Alfa or Haas. If there is an insider, Toto/Horner would already get this information whether Ferrari release it this year or not. If it stays only at Ferrari, it should be much easier to keep it secret.

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ryaan2904 wrote:
Sat Sep 11, 2021 5:35 pm
codetower wrote:
Fri Sep 10, 2021 9:47 pm
Interesting article over at the race regarding the engine upgrade. Binoto says he is still unsure when it will be ready. Apparently its "brand new technology on the hybrid side" which still need homologations and certifications among other things.

On a positive note, he said "It will be as soon as possible because we believe that running it as much as we can this season will be of interest for the next season.". this goes against my theory that they would wait as long as possible to not over-run it and need a 5th. I suppose they WANT to see how durable it is. Maybe we WILL see it before Turkey. [-o<

https://the-race.com/formula-1/ferrari- ... -be-ready/
Won't homologation give away the "brand new" tech to the opposition tho?
Toto definitely has his hands up in the fia pockets
The other teams will know what Ferrari has done, but won't be able to copy it as soon as homologation kicks in.

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codetower wrote:
Mon Sep 13, 2021 1:25 pm
F1NAC wrote:
Mon Sep 13, 2021 10:42 am
ryaan2904 wrote:
Sat Sep 11, 2021 6:48 pm


They knew what ferrari were doing EVERY year. In 2018, 2019, they were straight on point with their "queries" about the ferrari PU.
That's one thing I really hate about toto :|
Wasn't Sassi who spilled the beans, so they basically knew where to aim?
Which is the base of my concern. With Ferrari bringing the new technology this year, how easy is it for rivals to get their hands on this tech? Would they need an insider like Lorenzo Sassi to divulge this new technology, or once it's out there, it becomes public knowledge? I would think for this year, these upgrades would stay exclusively with Ferrari, not Alfa or Haas. If there is an insider, Toto/Horner would already get this information whether Ferrari release it this year or not. If it stays only at Ferrari, it should be much easier to keep it secret.
They kicked Sassi out 2 years back. Marchionne even made a show of how he was nothing special and they didn't really need him. :lol:

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LM10 wrote:
Mon Sep 13, 2021 2:03 pm
ryaan2904 wrote:
Sat Sep 11, 2021 5:35 pm
codetower wrote:
Fri Sep 10, 2021 9:47 pm
Interesting article over at the race regarding the engine upgrade. Binoto says he is still unsure when it will be ready. Apparently its "brand new technology on the hybrid side" which still need homologations and certifications among other things.

On a positive note, he said "It will be as soon as possible because we believe that running it as much as we can this season will be of interest for the next season.". this goes against my theory that they would wait as long as possible to not over-run it and need a 5th. I suppose they WANT to see how durable it is. Maybe we WILL see it before Turkey. [-o<

https://the-race.com/formula-1/ferrari- ... -be-ready/
Won't homologation give away the "brand new" tech to the opposition tho?
Toto definitely has his hands up in the fia pockets
The other teams will know what Ferrari has done, but won't be able to copy it as soon as homologation kicks in.
Homologation's in next September 22. Ton of time for anyone looking to copy it.
Although, I think for it to happen, someone inside the fia must leak it. The rules are that any reliability upgrade the teams are bringing needs approval by all other teams but Ferrari's technically bringing a 20 -> 21 upgrade. So chances should be pretty low.

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ryaan2904 wrote:
Tue Sep 14, 2021 4:26 am
LM10 wrote:
Mon Sep 13, 2021 2:03 pm
ryaan2904 wrote:
Sat Sep 11, 2021 5:35 pm


Won't homologation give away the "brand new" tech to the opposition tho?
Toto definitely has his hands up in the fia pockets
The other teams will know what Ferrari has done, but won't be able to copy it as soon as homologation kicks in.
Homologation's in next September 22. Ton of time for anyone looking to copy it.
Although, I think for it to happen, someone inside the fia must leak it. The rules are that any reliability upgrade the teams are bringing needs approval by all other teams but Ferrari's technically bringing a 20 -> 21 upgrade. So chances should be pretty low.
Never say never about FIA
Ferrari, that's all

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When talking about homologation, dont forget that Ferrari is bringing ERS 22' part in 21' season, being that they didnt use it at beginning of the year, but that also means Ferrari will be able to bring "2023' " part if you will at the end of 2022, which other manufacturers wont be able to do. So anything others try to do for early next year, is racing against what Ferrari brought this year, and will be racing with until they upgrade to newest part probably late 2022.

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For the german speaking guys. Michael Schmidt from Auto-Motor-Sport is saying that Ferrari switches from a 400V HV-System to a 800V HV System with their upcoming engine upgrade in Turkey

https://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/for ... en-unfall/

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ferkan wrote:
Tue Sep 14, 2021 8:55 pm
When talking about homologation, dont forget that Ferrari is bringing ERS 22' part in 21' season, being that they didnt use it at beginning of the year, but that also means Ferrari will be able to bring "2023' " part if you will at the end of 2022, which other manufacturers wont be able to do. So anything others try to do for early next year, is racing against what Ferrari brought this year, and will be racing with until they upgrade to newest part probably late 2022.
Are you saying that Ferrari is innoving and the other teams not at the same level? So Ferrari is in advantage for 22'?
Ferrari, that's all

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tom4661 wrote:
Wed Sep 15, 2021 5:53 am
For the german speaking guys. Michael Schmidt from Auto-Motor-Sport is saying that Ferrari switches from a 400V HV-System to a 800V HV System with their upcoming engine upgrade in Turkey

https://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/for ... en-unfall/
.... while adding the change along with ancillary component changes could be worth 10 to 15hp