General Honda F1 Topic

Post here all non technical related topics about Formula One. This includes race results, discussions, testing analysis etc. TV coverage and other personal questions should be in Off topic chat.
Alexf1
Alexf1
7
Joined: Thu Jun 28, 2018 5:52 pm

Re: General Honda F1 Topic

Post

No big difference in engine performance today on lap 1 between Mercedes and Honda compared to Silverstone. Has Merc paused their strong lap 1 mode or has Honda upped the power now that they have fewer weekends per engine? Maybe a bit of both, AT was also very good today

User avatar
PlatinumZealot
507
Joined: Thu Jun 12, 2008 2:45 am

Re: General Honda F1 Topic

Post

Alexf1 wrote:
Sun Sep 05, 2021 7:58 pm
No big difference in engine performance today on lap 1 between Mercedes and Honda compared to Silverstone. Has Merc paused their strong lap 1 mode or has Honda upped the power now that they have fewer weekends per engine? Maybe a bit of both, AT was also very good today
Alexf1. Because of set up differences in the aerodynamics you can only really tell on certain tracks which engine is stronger.

We didn't have Spa so at Monza you will get an Idea.
🖐️✌️☝️👀👌

====Zen level====
|||||||<@>||^||<@>|||||||

User avatar
Wouter
88
Joined: Sat Dec 16, 2017 12:02 pm

Re: General Honda F1 Topic

Post

Max and his RB16B powered by Honda! =D>



Pierre and his AT02 powered by Honda! =D>







The Power of Honda!

User avatar
Wouter
88
Joined: Sat Dec 16, 2017 12:02 pm

Re: General Honda F1 Topic

Post

ROUND 14 Imola

#ItalianGP Race Setup Monza.

For the third part of this European triple-header, Formula 1 returns to the iconic Monza.
#ItalianGP Race Setup

A normally special weekend as the home race of Scuderia AlphaTauri, in 2020 the Italian Grand Prix saw one of the sport's most memorable moments unfold, as Pierre Gasly took his maiden victory at the temple of speed.

A team and fan favourite, the Italian Grand Prix is a pure battle of power, with the cars running their lowest downforce packages of the season. In 2021, we will be running the second instalment of the F1 Sprint format, with just one practice session for the team to get up to speed and Qualifying on the Friday evening.

After a good result racing in Zandvoort with Max Verstappen and Red Bull Racing last week, we hope to continue our form and push on for a strong weekend once again in Italy. As the past has shown here however, anything can happen at Monza!

Toyoharu Tanabe
Honda Racing F1

Last Sunday in Zandvoort we witnessed an unforgettable win for Max Verstappen in front of his home crowd and now we come to Monza, also famous for the enthusiasm of its fans, mostly wearing red in contrast to the orange at the Dutch Grand Prix. Last year in Italy, we secured another memorable victory when Pierre Gasly, who has been with Honda since 2018 secured his first ever Formula 1 win at Scuderia AlphaTauri’s home race. Monza is famous for its high speed nature, with four long straights that mean a high proportion of the lap is spent at full throttle, making it a demanding race for the PU. Those straight are linked by three chicanes so that finding the right balance between the high and low speed sections is important. For the second time, after the race at Silverstone, this event features the Sprint Qualifying format, that means on Friday we go straight from one free practice session into qualifying, with parc ferme conditions, so changes to our settings are not permitted. The key is therefore to be able to find the right settings for the PU and chassis in a very limited time frame. Drawing on our experience of this at the British GP, we will have various settings options ready and we look forward to having another competitive weekend.

A few words from Max, Pierre, Sergio and Yuki:

----------------
----------------
https://honda.racing/f1/post/italian-gp-race-setup
Last edited by Wouter on Thu Sep 09, 2021 12:03 pm, edited 1 time in total.
The Power of Honda!

User avatar
lio007
289
Joined: Mon Jan 28, 2013 10:03 pm
Location: Austria

Re: General Honda F1 Topic

Post

Wouter wrote:
Thu Sep 09, 2021 9:25 am
ROUND 14 Imola

https://honda.racing/f1/post/italian-gp-race-setup
=> should be Monza

User avatar
Wouter
88
Joined: Sat Dec 16, 2017 12:02 pm

Re: General Honda F1 Topic

Post

lio007 wrote:
Thu Sep 09, 2021 9:58 am
Wouter wrote:
Thu Sep 09, 2021 9:25 am
ROUND 14 Imola

https://honda.racing/f1/post/italian-gp-race-setup
=> should be Monza
Thanks!
The Power of Honda!

User avatar
Wouter
88
Joined: Sat Dec 16, 2017 12:02 pm

Re: General Honda F1 Topic

Post

https://honda.racing/f1/post/monza-qualifying



Pierre Gasly 10
Scuderia AlphaTauri Honda

I’m very pleased with today, I think I gave everything out there and it was a very good lap to put us in P6. We really maximised our potential, especially in Q3, where I was able to put it all together. It was tricky, but we know it’s always a game of cat and mouse here, as everyone is fighting for a tow. It was very important to get a clean lap and we managed to do that today so I’m really happy. Another P6 for us, I think that’s the 11th time I’ve qualified in the top six this year and it shows that the team are doing such a good job. Tomorrow is going to be 18 intense laps, trying to keep up with the guys in front, and make sure we start Sunday’s race in a strong position.



https://honda.racing/f1/post/monza-sprint



The Power of Honda!

User avatar
Wouter
88
Joined: Sat Dec 16, 2017 12:02 pm

Re: General Honda F1 Topic

Post

A Tough Day At Monza For Honda Power

A challenging day at Monza resulted in three Honda-powered cars failing to finish as Sergio picked up points with a battling fifth place.

After his crash at the start of the Sprint, we opted to take a new power unit in Pierre’s car as he was already due to start from the back of the grid, with the new specification of Energy Store requiring a pit lane start. Pierre reported issues on his reconnaissance laps but was able to take the start, which was unfortunately slightly better than Yuki as a braking problem was discovered and couldn’t be fixed on the grid.

A valiant attempt from the mechanics ultimately failed as Yuki was unable to start, while Pierre’s race lasted only a handful of laps before he was also forced to retire on what turned out to be a painful day for Scuderia AlphaTauri.

Max had been overtaken for the lead by Daniel Ricciardo on the run to Turn 1 but followed the McLaren closely and was looking to use strategy to regain first place when a slow pit stop on lap 23 hampered his chances and dropped him back in the pack.

Still in the mix for victory, Max was then fighting with Lewis Hamilton as the Mercedes emerged from his pit stop and the two collided at the first chicane, taking both of them out of the race.

That just left Sergio to take up the fight for Red Bull Racing and the team reacted well in the Safety Car period to make his one and only pit stop for hard tyres so that he rejoined in fourth place.

After the race, the stewards awarded a three-place grid drop at the Russian Grand Prix to Max, following the contact between himself and Lewis.

Toyoharu Tanabe
Honda Racing F1

This was a very disappointing day for us with three of the four Honda-powered cars failing to finish. Checo actually had a good race to come from ninth on the grid to cross the finish line third, but a penalty meant he was classified fifth, but those points are important for the championship. It was a shame that both AlphaTauris were out of the race almost immediately and then Max had to retire after his collision with Lewis. However, there is still a long way to go this season and we can expect a tough fight for the championship all the way to the end, so we will start preparing for the next race right away.

Finally, I would like to offer our congratulations to our former partners McLaren on their brilliant 1-2 finish. =D>

Sergio .........

Pierre .........

Yuki ...........

Max Verstappen 33
Red Bull Racing Honda

We were racing for position today but you need two people to work together to make the corner and Lewis just kept squeezing until there wasn’t room anymore for two cars and that’s when we crashed. When he exited the pits, he started to squeeze me going into Turn 1 so I had to use the green part of the track. It was very tight but there was room for me to go around the outside and then I was pushed onto the orange sausage kerb. I was there to try and race hard but fair. I don't fully agree with the penalty as I believe it was a racing incident. It’s very unfortunate what happened today but we are both professionals and so we will move on.
https://honda.racing/f1/post/monza-race
The Power of Honda!

User avatar
Wouter
88
Joined: Sat Dec 16, 2017 12:02 pm

Re: General Honda F1 Topic

Post

.
https://the-race.com/formula-1/hondas-i ... -punished/

Honda’s idea to stop F1 crash victims being punished

Soon, perhaps at this weekend’s Russian Grand Prix, Formula 1’s rules mean Max Verstappen will have a grid penalty for an engine change beyond Red Bull or Honda’s control.
Verstappen is on the penalty bubble because of the crash he suffered at Silverstone, a crash the stewards deemed title rival Lewis Hamilton was predominantly to blame for.
[ ..... ]
Its argument is the FIA regulations need to be reconsidered. Currently, certain engine parts are sealed by the FIA, which means they cannot be checked, repaired or replaced without sanction.

The suggestion Tanabe has offered is that a panel is created that can review accidents and discuss requests for part changes.

He reckons it fits the sustainability requirement because it would enable engine manufacturers to spend “tens of thousands” on repairs instead of “millions” on all-new engines.
The Power of Honda!

mzso
mzso
49
Joined: Sat Apr 05, 2014 1:52 pm

Re: General Honda F1 Topic

Post

So the engine change is not even because of terminal damage. But stupid FIA bureocracy that brings a grid penalty even for fixing...
Last edited by mzso on Tue Sep 21, 2021 9:19 pm, edited 1 time in total.

User avatar
etusch
87
Joined: Sun Feb 22, 2009 10:09 pm
Location: Turkey

Re: General Honda F1 Topic

Post

Honda: Tough F1 return critical for building title fight form
Honda says the "tough" experience it first endured on its Formula 1 return in 2015 was critical for delivering the breakthrough needed to make it a title contender now.
https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/hond ... m/6671956/

User avatar
Wouter
88
Joined: Sat Dec 16, 2017 12:02 pm

Re: General Honda F1 Topic

Post

The F1 engine upgrade Red Bull Honda has secretly been using

Honda has been using an upgraded battery since the Formula 1 summer break that has yielded better engine and car performance.

F1 engine manufacturers were allowed to introduce one change of specification between the end of the 2020 season and the end of the 2021 season.

The Japanese manufacturer overhauled its engine design for 2021 and started the season with a heavily revised internal combustion engine.

However, Honda started the year with the 2020-specification battery, known in F1 as the energy store.

As it had not yet changed that component’s specification during the permitted period, it has been allowed to upgrade it during the season.

[ ..... ]
https://the-race.com/formula-1/the-f1-e ... een-using/
The Power of Honda!

User avatar
Wouter
88
Joined: Sat Dec 16, 2017 12:02 pm

Re: General Honda F1 Topic

Post

From the Honda Racing site:

Our New Energy Store #F1

Honda will leave Formula 1 at the end of this season, but that doesn’t mean we will be lifting off in the closing stages of this era. In fact, quite the opposite.
Our New Energy Store #F1

Over a season that is made up of more than 20 races, it’s not possible to simply leave items undeveloped from the first race to the last if you want to be successful. Red Bull Racing has been pushing ahead with car upgrades, and the work has been ongoing within the power unit department, too.

The regulations permit each component of the power unit to be upgraded once per season, and the timing of those upgrades is at the different manufacturers discretion. We introduced some new components - such as the internal combustion engine (ICE) - over the winter in time for the start of the season, but the summer break also saw a further step forward from a new Energy Store (ES).

“This new ES has been developed in a project that has taken several years, with an aim to combine improvements in energy efficiency with significant reductions in weight,” Honda F1’s head of power unit development Yasuaki Asaki says.

“In what will be the company’s final season in the sport, Honda F1 has managed to introduce the new ES - fitted with a lighter, low-resistance, highly efficient and ultra-high power battery cell - just in time for the start of the second half of the season.

“In order to achieve the ultimate goal of defeating Mercedes and winning the championship before leaving F1 at the end of the 2021 season, we recognised the need to enhance performance. As such, the development plan for the new ES was brought forward substantially from the original goal of 2022 to introduction during the 2021 season.”

The ES was fitted to Max Verstappen's car at the Belgian Grand Prix, and he duly secured pole position on its first outing. The rain-affected race resulted in a half-points victory, but Max followed that up with a dominant display throughout the weekend at his home race in Zandvoort, securing pole position and taking a comfortable victory.

Max again started from pole in Monza, too, although he unfortunately failed to finish that race following contact with Lewis Hamilton. But the signs have been promising, after what was a huge amount of work to provide both performance and weight gains, the latter helping Red Bull optimise weight distribution.

[ ..... ]
https://honda.racing/f1/post/new-energy-store-f1
The Power of Honda!

User avatar
Wouter
88
Joined: Sat Dec 16, 2017 12:02 pm

Re: General Honda F1 Topic

Post

The Power of Honda!

User avatar
ispano6
119
Joined: Thu Mar 09, 2017 10:56 pm
Location: my playseat

Re: General Honda F1 Topic

Post

Honda Stages Rarest-Ever Exhibit To Spur On Red Bull’s F1 Victory Chances
Boasting the dual purpose of generating public support for and awareness of Red Bull Honda’s bid to win a long overdue F1 championship this year, while focusing attention on its legendary Grand Prix winning cars of three decades ago, Japan’s No 3 carmaker extracted it’s most prized possessions from a museum 80 miles north of Tokyo to create the rarest exhibit you’re ever likely to see.

Called ‘Honda F1 2021 2nd Stage,’ the exhibition, which runs until October 18 at the firm’s Aoyama headquarters in Tokyo, highlights two Williams Honda F1 cars from 1986 and 1987 and four McLaren Honda machines from 1988 through 1991, all of which are championship-winning cars. According to one source, this is only the second time that all of these title-winning cars have been displayed together in the one location.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/peterlyon/ ... y-chances/