2021 São Paulo Grand Prix - Interlagos, Nov 12-14

[bonjon1979]

We know he’s been summoned for breach of parc ferme rules don’t we. And we know that he’s bang to rights because we all saw it. We also know that the very part that Hamilton is under investigation for was the very part that max was filmed touching.

Did he touch? That's hard to prove with that low resolution video.

Hmm, ok. Sure. But it certainly looks like he does and he absolutely touches his car. They’ll ask him point blank, he’ll have a choice whether to tell the truth or not. And who knows how many more cameras there are and load sensors. I hope he does claim he didn’t touch it.

[Mr.S]

Difficult to judge this. What the FIA said that this the rear wing/DRS was illegal & has to be changed before the race. So I would say he goes to the back of the grid for the sprint. That is fair, Disqualification - I dunno. But his laps were illegal as per FIA.

Max just touched Lewis' rear wing & didn't do anything. But you could argue that he broke the rules. In which case @ worse, he will get a 2/3 place grid penalty for just touching another car - more likely warning.

This is like comparing murder to a person swearing ! Verstappen will be quite unlikely to get any penalty for touching a car though

If max touching the wing caused the gap to be bigger, would you still say hamilton should be disqualified? Is it then fair for a driver to do something to an opponents car to get them disqualified? The conundrum that the fia face now is that max was clearly seen touching the part in question, merc said will argue that he is responsible for them failing the test. And will shout it to the roof tops which will look terrible. Max should’ve kept his hands to himself. FIA have little choice but to give merc the benefit of the doubt and a minor reprimand for max resetting things to as they were.

Max went near the Rear Wing after the qualifying was completed. During Qualy, the FIA clearly saw & confirmed that the DRS was illegal & went beyond the maximum allowable limit. Max didn't went anywhere near Mercedes car before qualy & couldn't have done anything to create the Illegal Rear wing of Mercedes.

This is a open & shut case for Mercedes. The car is illegal & has to go to the pit-lane or back of the grid.

Max issue is different. None of the video shows clearly that he even touched it. It has to be proved that he touched & he tampered with or inspected physically by touching. And then there is the issue is to what extent & should he get some minor penalty (2-3 slots etc - Was his tampering or inspecting grave enough or should he get a warning) - I don't think he gets any penalty by that video.

Lewis' case is open & shut. FIA has all the data & has already ruled the car was illegal in qualy & this way before Max was anywhere near. The question is will Mercedes be hit with something worse than a pit-lane start for Lewis ?

[Starkblood80]

The test to measure the DRS gap literally involves pushing an 85mm object into the DRS gap and see if it fits through and people think Max broke the wing by holding a fist/hand next to the wing, with maybe a light touching in a similar manner. Unbelievable...
There is too much precedent of drivers touching other cars for anything other than a reprimand.

When was the last time a driver touched a competitors car in parc ferme in exactly the same place which it later failed a test?
The crux of the argument isn’t that max broke or moved something on Hamilton’s wing but rather he has introduced the “possibility” that he did.

[Nicktec]

Am I the only one loving this situation? In the 11th hour of the championship where these things come up, pretty much out of nowhere?

[TwanV]

The conspiracy theory would need to explain that it was all a big setup, with evil Adrian providing the paperwork before start of qualy and five-finger Max to sneak away of camera after the session to do the damage. Next stop : twilight zone

[Starkblood80]

Difficult to judge this. What the FIA said that this the rear wing/DRS was illegal & has to be changed before the race. So I would say he goes to the back of the grid for the sprint. That is fair, Disqualification - I dunno. But his laps were illegal as per FIA.

Max just touched Lewis' rear wing & didn't do anything. But you could argue that he broke the rules. In which case @ worse, he will get a 2/3 place grid penalty for just touching another car - more likely warning.

This is like comparing murder to a person swearing ! Verstappen will be quite unlikely to get any penalty for touching a car though

If max touching the wing caused the gap to be bigger, would you still say hamilton should be disqualified? Is it then fair for a driver to do something to an opponents car to get them disqualified? The conundrum that the fia face now is that max was clearly seen touching the part in question, merc said will argue that he is responsible for them failing the test. And will shout it to the roof tops which will look terrible. Max should’ve kept his hands to himself. FIA have little choice but to give merc the benefit of the doubt and a minor reprimand for max resetting things to as they were.

Max went near the Rear Wing after the qualifying was completed. During Qualy, the FIA clearly saw & confirmed that the DRS was illegal & went beyond the maximum allowable limit. Max didn't went anywhere near Mercedes car before qualy & couldn't have done anything to create the Illegal Rear wing of Mercedes.

This is a open & shut case for Mercedes. The car is illegal & has to go to the pit-lane or back of the grid.

Max issue is different. None of the video shows clearly that he even touched it. It has to be proved that he touched & he tampered with or inspected physically by touching. And then there is the issue is to what extent & should he get some minor penalty (2-3 slots etc - Was his tampering or inspecting grave enough or should he get a warning) - I don't think he gets any penalty by that video.

Lewis' case is open & shut. FIA has all the data & has already ruled the car was illegal in qualy & this way before Max was anywhere near. The question is will Mercedes be hit with something worse than a pit-lane start for Lewis ?

The FIA confirmed “during” qualifying that Hamilton’s DRS was illegal? Sorry but you’ll need to post some evidence to support that statement otherwise it’s just speculation in an attempt to defend Max’s actions.

[nimoraca]

Difficult to judge this. What the FIA said that this the rear wing/DRS was illegal & has to be changed before the race. So I would say he goes to the back of the grid for the sprint. That is fair, Disqualification - I dunno. But his laps were illegal as per FIA.

Max just touched Lewis' rear wing & didn't do anything. But you could argue that he broke the rules. In which case @ worse, he will get a 2/3 place grid penalty for just touching another car - more likely warning.

This is like comparing murder to a person swearing ! Verstappen will be quite unlikely to get any penalty for touching a car though

If the rear wing was illegal by a fraction of a millimeter, that is far from murder .

[e30ernest]

I'm avidly awaiting the decision on this one. I do think had Max not touched Lewis' wing, Lewis would have been DSQ from qualifying.

While I do not think Lewis gained anything from it, it's only fair for Lewis to get DSQ for the DRS compliance issue. Too bad it also the championship.

[jumpingfish]

“Renault F1 Team acknowledges the decision from the FIA Stewards to disqualify Daniel Ricciardo from the qualifying session of the Singapore Grand Prix after he benefitted from an advantage measured at one-microsecond due to a kerb hit that caused his MGU-K to overrev on his slowest lap of Q1. The decision will therefore not be appealed.”

So Ricciardo was disqualified in 2019 for 0.000001s advantage?

[JordanMugen]

“Renault F1 Team acknowledges the decision from the FIA Stewards to disqualify Daniel Ricciardo from the qualifying session of the Singapore Grand Prix after he benefitted from an advantage measured at one-microsecond due to a kerb hit that caused his MGU-K to overrev on his slowest lap of Q1. The decision will therefore not be appealed.”

So Ricciardo was disqualified in 2019 for 0.000001s advantage?

Correct. Legality decisions about weights, measures etc are clear cut.

[bonjon1979]

The fact that the fia haven’t disqualified Hamilton in what is an open and shut (ho ho) case, and max has been summoned tells you that the fia aren’t clear cut on this

[Mr.S]

If max touching the wing caused the gap to be bigger, would you still say hamilton should be disqualified? Is it then fair for a driver to do something to an opponents car to get them disqualified? The conundrum that the fia face now is that max was clearly seen touching the part in question, merc said will argue that he is responsible for them failing the test. And will shout it to the roof tops which will look terrible. Max should’ve kept his hands to himself. FIA have little choice but to give merc the benefit of the doubt and a minor reprimand for max resetting things to as they were.

Max went near the Rear Wing after the qualifying was completed. During Qualy, the FIA clearly saw & confirmed that the DRS was illegal & went beyond the maximum allowable limit. Max didn't went anywhere near Mercedes car before qualy & couldn't have done anything to create the Illegal Rear wing of Mercedes.

This is a open & shut case for Mercedes. The car is illegal & has to go to the pit-lane or back of the grid.

Max issue is different. None of the video shows clearly that he even touched it. It has to be proved that he touched & he tampered with or inspected physically by touching. And then there is the issue is to what extent & should he get some minor penalty (2-3 slots etc - Was his tampering or inspecting grave enough or should he get a warning) - I don't think he gets any penalty by that video.

Lewis' case is open & shut. FIA has all the data & has already ruled the car was illegal in qualy & this way before Max was anywhere near. The question is will Mercedes be hit with something worse than a pit-lane start for Lewis ?

The FIA confirmed “during” qualifying that Hamilton’s DRS was illegal? Sorry but you’ll need to post some evidence to support that statement otherwise it’s just speculation in an attempt to defend Max’s actions.

Available everywhere. Read everything first. Otherwise don't comment on this thread until you are aware of everything. Don't create fictional stuff about Max reprimanded & Mercedes getting a pass.

Honestly some of the Hamilton fans are quite toxic & obnoxiously biased !

[DChemTech]

Even if max brushed the wing, if that kind of load would displace the wing it should bend like a circus artist on track. And wasn't mercedes so proud of their rigid wings?

[Mr.S]

The fact that the fia haven’t disqualified Hamilton in what is an open and shut (ho ho) case, and max has been summoned tells you that the fia aren’t clear cut on this

Again ridiculous fictional comment. FIA has already declared the DRS was illegal & Mercedes have to change it. They will decide the action after letting Mercedes give their view & will go through past precedents as well.

Max touching or not or being summoned it also a separate issue which is being checked to see if this has any relation to this before FIA gives their verdict. FIA has already ruled that the DRS is illegal & has to be changed pre-race ! If they decide, Max touched it enough or tampered with it enough, he will get a small penalty or else reprimand - Mercedes will have their own verdict for their illegal Rear wing.

The bigger point is why not Bottas? Did Mercedes give only Hamilton a new Rear Wing which gave him a 1 or 2 tenths above Bottas? Why is there no talk about Bottas' Rear Wing ?

[Seerix]

Max went near the Rear Wing after the qualifying was completed. During Qualy, the FIA clearly saw & confirmed that the DRS was illegal & went beyond the maximum allowable limit. Max didn't went anywhere near Mercedes car before qualy & couldn't have done anything to create the Illegal Rear wing of Mercedes.

This is a open & shut case for Mercedes. The car is illegal & has to go to the pit-lane or back of the grid.

Max issue is different. None of the video shows clearly that he even touched it. It has to be proved that he touched & he tampered with or inspected physically by touching. And then there is the issue is to what extent & should he get some minor penalty (2-3 slots etc - Was his tampering or inspecting grave enough or should he get a warning) - I don't think he gets any penalty by that video.

Lewis' case is open & shut. FIA has all the data & has already ruled the car was illegal in qualy & this way before Max was anywhere near. The question is will Mercedes be hit with something worse than a pit-lane start for Lewis ?

The FIA confirmed “during” qualifying that Hamilton’s DRS was illegal? Sorry but you’ll need to post some evidence to support that statement otherwise it’s just speculation in an attempt to defend Max’s actions.

Available everywhere. Read everything first. Otherwise don't comment on this thread until you are aware of everything. Don't create fictional stuff about Max reprimanded & Mercedes getting a pass.

Honestly some of the Hamilton fans are quite toxic & obnoxiously biased !

I guess you don't see the difference between "during" and "after" qualifying. Oh well.