2021 São Paulo Grand Prix - Interlagos, Nov 12-14

[Mogster]

Is this for this race or has Mercedes been doing this for a while now? Anyways Hamilton had 6km/hr over Bottas, that is huge. How much is that worth? 2 Tenths? 1 tenth? 2.5 Tenths? 3 Tenths? Would vary from track to track but it is a difference & one of the reason why Lewis is above Bottas & Verstappen by a huge margin.

Total cheat act by Mercedes running an illegal Rear Wing intentionally when they got RB's then legal flexi rear wing banned by cribbing & by getting new tests introduced mid-season. No such thing was done for DAS. Anyways, really horrible act.

Verstappen has lost a lot - Baku Tyre failure, Hamilton taking him out in Britain, Agent Bottas in Hungary. This will partially compensate for all that. This is a championship where Verstappen has been far superior & should have had a 60-70 point lead & he should have clinched the Championship in Brazil. Norris, Leclerc, Sainz have all been better than Hamilton this season & to some extent Gasly as well !

Incredible that Mercedes/Hamilton tried to blame Verstappen for it - And amazing that Bottas literally has an inferior car - 2 Tenths+ slower & not the illegal rear wing car (if Mercedes thought it was legal) - He has been treated like Hamilton's dog ! Bottas is Hamilton's Rubens Barrichello & that is Lewis kept cribbing about Bottas' being his best team-mate when he got beaten or drew with Rosberg, Button & Alonso (Because he knew Bottas was his toy !)

I am no Merc fan but you answered your own question in the first two sentences. Find another race Lewis has had such a hugh advantage over Bottas in a DRS zone, I doubt there is one.

On the Sky FP2 broadcast they replayed the qualy onboards. Hamilton didn’t have a large DRS advantage over Bottas though, hardly anything. Of course Hamilton also has a new ICE.

The increased gap was on one side only, the inspection seems to have revealed worn pivots leading to a bit of slop. Nothing more exciting than that…

[Tvetovnato]

Mercedes were not caught cheating. The stewards reasoning is quite easy to find, for those who are interested in having a sensible conversation about it. I know it's quite a lot to ask for around here now, but still.

[nokivasara]

Were Mercedes caught cheating?

Well that ruins the race but the rules are the rules.

They werent cheating but had too much play in the drs pivot mechanism. Worn out, not designed that way.

[NathanOlder]

Is this for this race or has Mercedes been doing this for a while now? Anyways Hamilton had 6km/hr over Bottas, that is huge. How much is that worth? 2 Tenths? 1 tenth? 2.5 Tenths? 3 Tenths? Would vary from track to track but it is a difference & one of the reason why Lewis is above Bottas & Verstappen by a huge margin.

Total cheat act by Mercedes running an illegal Rear Wing intentionally when they got RB's then legal flexi rear wing banned by cribbing & by getting new tests introduced mid-season. No such thing was done for DAS. Anyways, really horrible act.

Verstappen has lost a lot - Baku Tyre failure, Hamilton taking him out in Britain, Agent Bottas in Hungary. This will partially compensate for all that. This is a championship where Verstappen has been far superior & should have had a 60-70 point lead & he should have clinched the Championship in Brazil. Norris, Leclerc, Sainz have all been better than Hamilton this season & to some extent Gasly as well !

Incredible that Mercedes/Hamilton tried to blame Verstappen for it - And amazing that Bottas literally has an inferior car - 2 Tenths+ slower & not the illegal rear wing car (if Mercedes thought it was legal) - He has been treated like Hamilton's dog ! Bottas is Hamilton's Rubens Barrichello & that is Lewis kept cribbing about Bottas' being his best team-mate when he got beaten or drew with Rosberg, Button & Alonso (Because he knew Bottas was his toy !)

I am no Merc fan but you answered your own question in the first two sentences. Find another race Lewis has had such a hugh advantage over Bottas in a DRS zone, I doubt there is one.

Find another race where Lewis has a brand new ICE that will be optimised to only race in 4 races.

From what the stewards report said was that the test instrument only passed through the gap when small pressure was applied, so it basically only JUST squeezed through, but it still broke the rules. so fair enough, its illegal. But what it does say is that the gap on Hamiltons car was not even 1mm bigger, at the edges, not the whole thing. To think this would be the reason he gained that speed advantage is absolutely insane.

[Ryar]

Look ! It's mercedes conspiring with the FIA again to circumvent a penalty !

Oh wait...

Complete ignorance on questions asked by RB about Mercedes on PU Plenum cooling. Introducing new flex tests in the middle of the season, forcing RB change their rear wing. Mid season engine directives that hit Honda after Austria. Allowing new Pirelli compounds. No investigation in the flexing suspension/rear wing of Mercedes. What else have I missed, for this season?

[Shrieker]

Look ! It's mercedes conspiring with the FIA again to circumvent a penalty !

Oh wait...

Complete ignorance on questions asked by RB about Mercedes on PU Plenum cooling. Introducing new flex tests in the middle of the season, forcing RB change their rear wing. Mid season engine directives that hit Honda after Austria. Allowing new Pirelli compounds. No investigation in the flexing suspension/rear wing of Mercedes. What else have I missed, for this season?

Yeah, the entire galaxy and then the local group is conspiring against max

[AeroDynamic]

Look ! It's mercedes conspiring with the FIA again to circumvent a penalty !

Oh wait...

Complete ignorance on questions asked by RB about Mercedes on PU Plenum cooling. Introducing new flex tests in the middle of the season, forcing RB change their rear wing. Mid season engine directives that hit Honda after Austria. Allowing new Pirelli compounds. No investigation in the flexing suspension/rear wing of Mercedes. What else have I missed, for this season?

Wow, that’s really messed up have Mercedes ever had anything like that when they were ahead?

[djones]

Is it as simple as this....

The DSQ means he starts the sprint at the back and whatever he finishes in the sprint it's -5 places for the race grid?

[Ryar]

Look ! It's mercedes conspiring with the FIA again to circumvent a penalty !

Oh wait...

Complete ignorance on questions asked by RB about Mercedes on PU Plenum cooling. Introducing new flex tests in the middle of the season, forcing RB change their rear wing. Mid season engine directives that hit Honda after Austria. Allowing new Pirelli compounds. No investigation in the flexing suspension/rear wing of Mercedes. What else have I missed, for this season?

Wow, that’s really messed up have Mercedes ever had anything like that when they were ahead?

If only the past glory could have bridged that gap between the rear wing slots.

[DChemTech]

Look ! It's mercedes conspiring with the FIA again to circumvent a penalty !

Oh wait...

Complete ignorance on questions asked by RB about Mercedes on PU Plenum cooling. Introducing new flex tests in the middle of the season, forcing RB change their rear wing. Mid season engine directives that hit Honda after Austria. Allowing new Pirelli compounds. No investigation in the flexing suspension/rear wing of Mercedes. What else have I missed, for this season?

inconsistent policing of track limits that allowed Hamilton to use slightly more track than should be allowed in Bahrain for 29 laps, and mid-season change in pit-stop regulations.

[search]

I wonder if Hamilton will now get a completely new PU (all components) since he is likely to start towards the back of the grid anyway (main race)

Not allowed, he can only take 1 unit per race weekend.

Is that only ICE? or everything? as i thought he can take a other components?

he can take everything, but the ICE introduced on Friday will not be allowed to be used anymore for the remainder of the season. Could still make sense though, of course, as the penalty would be the same.

I think it'll mainly depend on his result today, though. If he manages to finish well inside the Top 10, I guess Mercedes will stick to the original engine.

[Mansell89]

51 pages and we haven’t had sprint quali yet!!

A new record incoming??

[hollus]

Is this for this race or has Mercedes been doing this for a while now? Anyways Hamilton had 6km/hr over Bottas, that is huge. How much is that worth? 2 Tenths? 1 tenth? 2.5 Tenths? 3 Tenths? Would vary from track to track but it is a difference & one of the reason why Lewis is above Bottas & Verstappen by a huge margin.

Total cheat act by Mercedes running an illegal Rear Wing intentionally when they got RB's then legal flexi rear wing banned by cribbing & by getting new tests introduced mid-season. No such thing was done for DAS. Anyways, really horrible act.

Verstappen has lost a lot - Baku Tyre failure, Hamilton taking him out in Britain, Agent Bottas in Hungary. This will partially compensate for all that. This is a championship where Verstappen has been far superior & should have had a 60-70 point lead & he should have clinched the Championship in Brazil. Norris, Leclerc, Sainz have all been better than Hamilton this season & to some extent Gasly as well !

Incredible that Mercedes/Hamilton tried to blame Verstappen for it - And amazing that Bottas literally has an inferior car - 2 Tenths+ slower & not the illegal rear wing car (if Mercedes thought it was legal) - He has been treated like Hamilton's dog ! Bottas is Hamilton's Rubens Barrichello & that is Lewis kept cribbing about Bottas' being his best team-mate when he got beaten or drew with Rosberg, Button & Alonso (Because he knew Bottas was his toy !)

I am no Merc fan but you answered your own question in the first two sentences. Find another race Lewis has had such a hugh advantage over Bottas in a DRS zone, I doubt there is one.

Find another race where Lewis has a brand new ICE that will be optimised to only race in 4 races.

From what the stewards report said was that the test instrument only passed through the gap when small pressure was applied, so it basically only JUST squeezed through, but it still broke the rules. so fair enough, its illegal. But what it does say is that the gap on Hamiltons car was not even 1mm bigger, at the edges, not the whole thing. To think this would be the reason he gained that speed advantage is absolutely insane.

To be precise:

The competitor also noted, that Art 3.6.3 of the regulation states a maximum dimension, which is possible to measure without applying a force or load. It is not until a force is applied, that the gauge is able to go through.

That force is 10N, transversally.

[NathanOlder]

I am no Merc fan but you answered your own question in the first two sentences. Find another race Lewis has had such a hugh advantage over Bottas in a DRS zone, I doubt there is one.

Find another race where Lewis has a brand new ICE that will be optimised to only race in 4 races.

From what the stewards report said was that the test instrument only passed through the gap when small pressure was applied, so it basically only JUST squeezed through, but it still broke the rules. so fair enough, its illegal. But what it does say is that the gap on Hamiltons car was not even 1mm bigger, at the edges, not the whole thing. To think this would be the reason he gained that speed advantage is absolutely insane.

To be precise:

The competitor also noted, that Art 3.6.3 of the regulation states a maximum dimension, which is possible to measure without applying a force or load. It is not until a force is applied, that the gauge is able to go through.

That force is 10N, transversally.

Exactly, so we're re looking at less than 1mm, so it would be nice if some of the regular s**t stirrers would keep the s**t to themselves for once.

[dans79]

if I read it right, the issue is they want to see at least 10 N of force. It went through and generated force, but not 10N!