PhillipM wrote: ↑
Fri Nov 26, 2021 11:31 am
sp8472 wrote: ↑
Fri Nov 26, 2021 2:28 am
PhillipM wrote:I mean to be fair Norris deliberately didn't race him for the win, that shows just how much class Norris has to be honest.
I said it last year and I'll say it again, even here, with Mclaren fans, people seriously underestimated Norris and Sainz's talent.
I don’t think you can say Lando deliberately did not race Daniel for the race win.
Apart from the radio message halfway through with Lando saying should he just hold station, Lando having pace before that on Daniel, and both the team and Norris saying he did great by just making sure they brought a 1-2 home instead of risking a collision like the earlier one you mean?
He deliberately didn't race Daniel for the win. The team will tell you that. Norris will tell you that, Daniel will tell you that.
Let me list some details at what happened that day
Landos engineer tells him perez has DRS.
Lando on the radio then says "i need Daniel to pick up the pace he driving too slow."
So Lando gave a clear team order to pass on to Ric. Then Rics engineer got on the radio and gave him a direct order to pick up the pace which was to help Norris and he complied.
Ric at no stage got on the radio and said tell Norris to slow down and not overtake me. The only team order asking for help from either driver at Monza came direct from Lando not Ric. This fact is clear
Then Lando later himself asked when out of the DRS on the radio. "is it best for us to stay where i am" and his engineer basically agreed with him saying best for us to stay where you are repeating back exactly what lando himself suggested.
There was no direct team order to Lando anytime before this saying Lando do not overtake Ric so they were free to race. So Lando was racing at the restart, was free to race and had no team orders telling him not race until he himself suggested after at least 5 laps later when he was out of DRS not even close to making an overtake. These facts are also very clear.
Ric was basically doing exactly what he did with Max to Norris. Driving so slow, doing the bare minimum to bring the car home and not stress the tyres or engine or anything and take extra risk. lando tried for at least 5 laps with no team orders and could not get past. Max actually got closer to Ric than Norris did and even then Max was not even close to an overtake attempt.
Ric then picked up the pace something he never would have done if not for the Norris message which of course he obliged to help Mclaren bring home the 1,2
Otherwise Ric would have driven slow the entire race deliberately like he did with max earlier, So Ric compromised his ideal race strategy (which was driving like a snail it seems) he was following the entire race with Max, and sped up to help Norris and Mclaren secure the 1,2
Of course Lando and Ric at Monza I rate both 10 out of 10. Neither of them put a foot wrong that race. Incredible performance by both to bring home the 1st Mclaren 1,2 in a decade.
Max and Lando had close to zero chance of passing Ric on track, team orders or not.
“He deliberately didn't race Daniel for the win.” <---------- I will agree this is true somewhat but you conveniently left out the other supporting facts below I will number clearly from the summary above
1. Ric never requested any help from Norris on the radio. But Norris on the radio requested Ric speed up to help him as Perez was in DRS range and clearly Lando thought there was a chance of him being overtaken otherwise he would not have requested Ric speed up. So the Perez threat was real.
2. Norris had zero team orders for at least 5 laps after the restart and was free to race and was racing until Lando was out of DRS and Lando himself suggested on the radio to hold station.
3. Rics ideal race strategy at Monza seemed to be to deliberately drive as slow as possible all race with both Max and Norris behind so as to not stress the tyres, engine, and simultaneously frustrate the driver behind burning up their tyres in the dirty air. Ric only changed this snail driving race strategy when asked by team orders on the radio to speed up to help Norris, which he did immediately going 7 tenths quicker the following lap.
4. Ric set the fastest lap of the race which was quicker than Landos fastest lap.