Watching this picture, what can we say about W12`s rear wing and rake compared to RB16B`s?
Hard to tell, Lewis is braking really hard here, Max has probably already rolled off the brakes.atanatizante wrote: ↑Tue Dec 07, 2021 12:13 pmWatching this picture, what can we say about W12`s rear wing and rake compared to RB16B`s?
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El Scorchio wrote: ↑Tue Dec 07, 2021 10:42 amAh man. Look at the score marks all over that….zibby43 wrote: ↑Tue Dec 07, 2021 6:37 amWe've been spoiled by these rare hi-res photos of a damaged FW:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FF8NRy3VQAI ... ame=medium
The location of the the in-board end of the pull-rod is very unusual. I have not seen that before. Could be where their token was spent.AeroDynamic wrote: ↑Sat Dec 04, 2021 10:22 amhttps://cdn-1.motorsport.com/images/mg ... tail-1.jpg
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I don't know about rear wing or rake but it's pretty obvious this was a calculated move by Lewis to try to give Max a rear wheel puncture.atanatizante wrote: ↑Tue Dec 07, 2021 12:13 pmWatching this picture, what can we say about W12`s rear wing and rake compared to RB16B`s?
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.Mercedes opted to use its low-downforce rear wing with a single, centrally-mounted rear wing support pillar and the taller DRS pod connected to it. However, it’s worth noting that when we talk about high, medium and low downforce rear wings there are still some subtle variations within that selection too.
This can take several forms, but in the case of Mercedes it has two main specifications of low-downforce wing, one which was used at Silverstone and Spa (right) and one that was used in Baku and at Jeddah (left).
The main difference between the two arrangements is the relative size of the mainplane and top flap and the cutouts in the trailing edge of the top flap, which are used to help reduce drag. The yellow highlight in the illustration helps to distinguish the size difference in the central V cutout.
To help improve balance at the expense of a small drag penalty, teams also have Gurney flaps at their disposal that can be applied to the trailing edge of the upper flap.
Mercedes ran without the Gurney at Silverstone but added one owing to the impending wet weather conditions at Spa as it went into qualifying. As part of its cautionary exploration of the Jeddah circuit the team ran with a Gurney flap on the trailing edge of the top flap during FP1 and FP2 (red arrow) but, having accustomed themselves to the grip levels, both drivers continued without it during the rest of the event
But you'd still have to overtake him.Tvetovnato wrote: ↑Wed Dec 08, 2021 5:53 amI wouldn’t be shocked if Merc actually takes another engine for Hamilton this weekend. A grid drop means no risk whatsoever of Max crashing him into T1, and then he has only a few laps to be up behind him again with a definite faster car.
Marty_Y wrote: ↑Sun Dec 05, 2021 10:06 pmLOL, and they said to Lewis over the radio that they had looked and the front wing of the W12 was "fine" .
That would mean “we can see nothing in the data to suggest that the front wing is not structurally sound”
The car balance will have altered, but that is visible in the footage.
Stu wrote: ↑Wed Dec 08, 2021 8:08 amI would read it as they calculated "you will not lose the 30 seconds it will take to change it"Marty_Y wrote: ↑Sun Dec 05, 2021 10:06 pmLOL, and they said to Lewis over the radio that they had looked and the front wing of the W12 was "fine" .
That would mean “we can see nothing in the data to suggest that the front wing is not structurally sound”
The car balance will have altered, but that is visible in the footage.
I have a question - could the damaged front wing actually have improved the car's performance?zibby43 wrote: ↑Tue Dec 07, 2021 6:37 amWe've been spoiled by these rare hi-res photos of a damaged FW:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FF8NRy3VQAI ... ame=medium
Everything is possible of course, if the chance brings the aero object by chance outside the rules where it would work better. For instance, breaking the FW in such a way that it hangs lower or when the edge of the floor breaks and bends down to create a skirt.Just_a_fan wrote: ↑Wed Dec 08, 2021 1:15 pmI have a question - could the damaged front wing actually have improved the car's performance?zibby43 wrote: ↑Tue Dec 07, 2021 6:37 amWe've been spoiled by these rare hi-res photos of a damaged FW:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FF8NRy3VQAI ... ame=medium
We know that wings create vortices at their tips and that these vortices reduce the lift force - that's why endplates are added: to reduce the vortex. But we also know that the front wing can be used to create a vortex that helps to redirect the front tyre wake and thus reduce the wake's adverse affect on the car - specifically the floor. The endplates incorporate vortex generators so far as the rules allow, after all.
By removing some of the endplate - especially in the shape seen there - perhaps a beneficial vortex formed that actually improved the overall performance of the car.
Just a finger in the air thought, really.
We'll know for sure if the Mercedes turn up with both cars having kicked in/sawn off FW endplates for FP1!Just_a_fan wrote: ↑Wed Dec 08, 2021 1:15 pmI have a question - could the damaged front wing actually have improved the car's performance?zibby43 wrote: ↑Tue Dec 07, 2021 6:37 amWe've been spoiled by these rare hi-res photos of a damaged FW:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FF8NRy3VQAI ... ame=medium
We know that wings create vortices at their tips and that these vortices reduce the lift force - that's why endplates are added: to reduce the vortex. But we also know that the front wing can be used to create a vortex that helps to redirect the front tyre wake and thus reduce the wake's adverse affect on the car - specifically the floor. The endplates incorporate vortex generators so far as the rules allow, after all.
By removing some of the endplate - especially in the shape seen there - perhaps a beneficial vortex formed that actually improved the overall performance of the car.
Just a finger in the air thought, really.
If it was only one side would it not be a detriment? Unless there are more tight lefts than rightsJust_a_fan wrote: ↑Wed Dec 08, 2021 1:15 pmI have a question - could the damaged front wing actually have improved the car's performance?zibby43 wrote: ↑Tue Dec 07, 2021 6:37 amWe've been spoiled by these rare hi-res photos of a damaged FW:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FF8NRy3VQAI ... ame=medium
We know that wings create vortices at their tips and that these vortices reduce the lift force - that's why endplates are added: to reduce the vortex. But we also know that the front wing can be used to create a vortex that helps to redirect the front tyre wake and thus reduce the wake's adverse affect on the car - specifically the floor. The endplates incorporate vortex generators so far as the rules allow, after all.
By removing some of the endplate - especially in the shape seen there - perhaps a beneficial vortex formed that actually improved the overall performance of the car.
Just a finger in the air thought, really.