4 Banger Diesel?

[dumrick]

From this is clear for all to be seen the media manipulation that is in place in the USA...

Nothing that enlightened foreign spirits don't know about already, but always sad to look at...

[Guest]

why in --- name would usa turn down an agreement if they had imposed harder requirements for themselves? do you honestly believe that bullshit?
a highend german car can prduce 400hp from a naturally aspirating 4l v8, but in the great allmighty america an 7-8l v8 with roughly 4x as much polution and twice the gas consumption is needed

[Steven]

and what may those stringest regulations be?

In my point of view, USA cannot comply to the kyoto restrictions and they do not want to either. The most polluting cars drive around in USA, the most leaded fuel is sold there, etc. etc...
America is under the lead of Bush only looking for economical succes and imposing the world to it. Yes the economy is growing, while in Europe it is currently a little downbeat with small growths, but let's face it, it isn't hard to make an economy grow when piling up the shortages of the government. At least in Europe there is a maximum shortage and an agreed level of decreasing that until 60% of the BBP (something around 60 not sure how much exectly though).

So, I'm waiting until the American people realise the world is not theirs and other people may face the consequences of some really stupid acts lately done by the government.

[riff raff]

So the USA consumes 20 percent of global petroleum production? We're also responsible for 25 percent of global economic output. That sure as hell beats the EuroSocialists and their 35 hour workweek!

[gear_dawg]

Im HIJACKING the thread here:

Lets not argue over gov. regs, its stupid and wont help anything for anyone. [-X

Lets talk about diesel engines. That was the reason for this thread. I wouldnt mind getting a diesel engine for my truck or car. I like the idea of them, less up keep, cheaper to operate, ect, ect...

Can anyone compile a list of diesel engine manufacturers? REAL diesels not fake ones like ford or chevy/gmc

I know of Cummins, Those listed here. I would like to know more.

Thanks Gear

[Guest]

Yeah, not all countries can send to the atmosphere all the CO2 they want for not signing the Kyoto Protocol

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tree hugger

[NickT]

Hi Guys,

Ok I have not been around for some time, life is very busy and complicated but in a very good way and I am thoroughly enjoying myself

Diesels, in the real World are fantastic, I have been driving them out of choice for the last 15 years and I am an ex-racer Economy, emissions, torque, running costs, fun (yes they are fun to) and they keep getting better every year as technology moves forward

However, I would just like to point out that in Europe and a good proportion of the rest of the developed World we are more concerned about balancing the needs of a stable economy against our quality of life and protecting our environment for the future of our children. We are not slaves to the pursuit of a strong economy and we do not bury our heads in the sand when we hear something we don't want to hear

I work with a lot of Americans and very few of them will even acknowledge there is a problem Come on America, wake up and smell the roses, be REAL men and REAL women and live in the REAL World. Accept the realities of the situation and your nation’s huge contribution to the problem REAL men, REAL women and a REAL nation would make a REAL contribution to becoming part of the solution Only Gung Ho REDNECKS would refuse to accept the reality and continue to argue economics against the World's environment

America produces some of the best self-help and personal development materials available in the World today. Isn't it time America applied those teachings as REAL men, REAL women and a REAL nation to your great country's position in the REAL World

[riff_raff]

gear_dawg,

There are all sorts of diesel engines available in automobiles. Smart Car's 3-cyl turbodiesel, lots of 4-cyl diesels from Pugeot, VW, DCX, Nissan etc., 6-cyl diesels from Jaguar, Mercedes and Dodge, 8-cyl diesels from Ford, GM, and a 10-cyl diesel from VW. Unfortunately, almost none of these vehicles are available for sale where I live (southern California). Why? Because we have the strictest automotive emission regulations on the face of the earth here, and there are no diesel engines that can meet them. Primarily because of NOx and PM.

Kyoto Protocal?.....sheesh, give me a break! Kyoto is a joke. Most of the largest countries on earth (China, India etc.) are exempt from it's regulations. And currently, none of the very few countries (6 or 7) that actually ratified the treaty, are abiding by it's (C02 emissions) requirements. The only country that has a hope of meeting the Kyoto C02 requirements, before the Kyoto treaty expires in 2 years, is France. And that is because they generate 80% of their electricity from nuclear.

Don't get me wrong though, I love them oil burners!

Regards,
Terry

[DaveKillens]

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[Reca]

tree hugger

If that means that I do like the fact that the Monza’s track is inside a park so I can enjoy a walk or a relaxing Sunday morning before to go in the grandstand to see a race, yes, that’s me.
If it means that I consider quite stupid to use a SUV/truck with a insanely huge engine just to carry kids at school, yes, that’s me too.
If it means that I believe US manufacturers should, just for a change, try to make more efficient engines, well, yes again.

Unfortunately, almost none of these vehicles are available for sale where I live (southern California). Why? Because we have the strictest automotive emission regulations on the face of the earth here, and there are no diesel engines that can meet them.

Can you buy a SUV or, for example, the Hummer ?

[riff_raff]

Reca:

Currently, the only diesel vehicles legally for sale in California are heavy duty (like 3/4 ton pick-up trucks) and commercial vehicles- they are given an exemption from emissions regulations based on GVW. I know it sounds ridiculous, but super-efficient diesel cars like VW's Passat TDI are not allowed in California. Primarily because they cannot meet California's NOx emission standards with the high-sulfur diesel fuel sold here. However, you are able to purchase most diesel fueled cars in any of the other 49 states.

I would heartily disagree with people that say that the US does not give a damn about automotive emissions or fuel consumption. Consider this: the two most significant developments with regards to automotive fuel consumption and emissions came from the US. The monolythic catalytic converter (from Corning) and the solid state, digital ECU (from Motorola).

Regards,
Terry[/i][/b]