Mercedes W13

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Looks fast.. it better be fast because redbull did a 1.26.500 lap and 1.24.400 durong shake down 😐

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G. Russel: "It certainly wasn't easy out there with the conditions but it was very much in line with what we saw in the simulator. We will go back and correlate it this afternoon but it is going to be a constant learning process."

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Henri wrote:
18 Feb 2022, 18:11
Looks fast.. it better be fast because redbull did a 1.26.500 lap and 1.24.400 durong shake down 😐
Yea I don't think so, Pole at silverstone last year was 1:26.134. Given the time of year, current weather, and the tires they get to run during filming/shakedown runs, no one is going to get anywhere close to a 1:24.4.
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Henri wrote:
18 Feb 2022, 18:11
Looks fast.. it better be fast because redbull did a 1.26.500 lap and 1.24.400 durong shake down 😐
Which track was that?
Chubbs

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wowgr8 wrote:
18 Feb 2022, 17:33
https://i.imgur.com/qubUPIS.jpeg

The efficiency of this PU is absolutely mind blowing. The exits are almost nonexistent and that's without any additional cooling from the louvres. The ones at the rear of the Ferrari are roughly this size but the Ferrari makes use of the louvres
I suspect that One car manufacturer decided to make their roll hoop area smaller with less cooling there and a small COG benefit while the other team installed more cooling in the roll hoop area with smaller sidepods....obviously different aerodynamic concepts.i'm guessing louvres will appear and disapear on both cars as they see fit once the real racing starts i dont get how you made the jump to PU efficiency :roll:

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Would a radical front wing endplate, as depicted on the W13 renders be even legal under 2022 regs?

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dans79 wrote:
18 Feb 2022, 18:17
Henri wrote:
18 Feb 2022, 18:11
Looks fast.. it better be fast because redbull did a 1.26.500 lap and 1.24.400 durong shake down 😐
Yea I don't think so, Pole at silverstone last year was 1:26.134. Given the time of year, current weather, and the tires they get to run during filming/shakedown runs, no one is going to get anywhere close to a 1:24.4.


The guy who leaked redbull was having the test and watched the time sheets.. it beat Mercedes w11 qualifying time crazy

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Chubbs wrote:
18 Feb 2022, 18:18
Henri wrote:
18 Feb 2022, 18:11
Looks fast.. it better be fast because redbull did a 1.26.500 lap and 1.24.400 durong shake down 😐
Which track was that?
Silverstone yesterday 😐

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What configuration?

I’m sorry, but no one is going faster than last year, with cars fully developed by mid season, on demo tires.

If it sounds to be good to true, ask yourself some basic questions, and you’ll probably get your answer.

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Henri wrote:
18 Feb 2022, 18:22
dans79 wrote:
18 Feb 2022, 18:17
Henri wrote:
18 Feb 2022, 18:11


Looks fast.. it better be fast because redbull did a 1.26.500 lap and 1.24.400 durong shake down 😐
Yea I don't think so, Pole at silverstone last year was 1:26.134. Given the time of year, current weather, and the tires they get to run during filming/shakedown runs, no one is going to get anywhere close to a 1:24.4.


The guy who leaked redbull was having the test and watched the time sheets.. it beat Mercedes w11 qualifying time crazy
As I wrote on the RB18 thread… The account is spreading false information… It is the same account that stated that they were watching the RB18 on track and that it was wearing a white camo livery, which we know isn’t true… Just trolling for a few likes and some attention.

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The new cars look a lot better than expected, especially compared to the pos showcar which was displayed by FOM last year. The W13 is no exception.

With that said, my only gripe is they look more like indycars now rather than F1 cars, especially at the front.
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Shrieker wrote:
18 Feb 2022, 18:30
The new cars look a lot better than expected, especially compared to the pos showcar which was displayed by FOM last year. The W13 is no exception.

With that said, my only gripe is they look more like indycars now rather than F1 cars, especially at the front.
This was always going to happen with underbody tunnels, and this goes back 30 years now.

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Henri wrote:
18 Feb 2022, 18:22
dans79 wrote:
18 Feb 2022, 18:17
Henri wrote:
18 Feb 2022, 18:11


Looks fast.. it better be fast because redbull did a 1.26.500 lap and 1.24.400 durong shake down 😐
Yea I don't think so, Pole at silverstone last year was 1:26.134. Given the time of year, current weather, and the tires they get to run during filming/shakedown runs, no one is going to get anywhere close to a 1:24.4.


The guy who leaked redbull was having the test and watched the time sheets.. it beat Mercedes w11 qualifying time crazy
That's a nobody with 14 followers. I'd bet my next paycheck he has no idea what he is talking about. Not to mention teams almost never do the standard silverstone lap, as it's to long for shakedown runs, as they are very limited on mileage (100 km).

For example watch Lews in 2017.
Abby, Farm, Village, The loop,the weird bit at Chapel, Hangar Strait, Stowe, and back into the pits. Basically half a lap.


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Chubbs wrote:
18 Feb 2022, 18:18
Henri wrote:
18 Feb 2022, 18:11
Looks fast.. it better be fast because redbull did a 1.26.500 lap and 1.24.400 durong shake down 😐
Which track was that?
Rainbow road. They even managed to evade a blue shell!

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PlatinumZealot wrote:
18 Feb 2022, 17:43
e30ernest wrote:
18 Feb 2022, 16:47
Vortices visible being shed from under the wing (looks like to manage tire wake out), and along the floor (probably to seal).

https://i.imgur.com/65OkElz.jpg
Those are not vortices. I see everyone saying that, but they are not. At least I have never seen any qualified person say that before.

That's just the water kick-up from the contract patch among a chaos of things happening. It is affected by a mish-mash of the vortices and outwash and the tyre wake itself, but the vorticity is not strong enough to imprint itself cleanly on those heavy water droplets from the tyre. So yes, the vortex is inside there somewhere, but that spray is not cleanly representing the vortex there.

You will see those waves of water spray on pretty much any car. In F1 yeah there is some vortex interaction involved int he spray, but liquid water is very heavy! Trust me when you see the vortices in the videos you will know.. You won't see it in heavy water droplets coming from the tyre though. You will see the vortices easier with smoke or water vapour.

Like here:

Article on f1technical:
https://www.f1technical.net/features/21854

https://media.giphy.com/media/3o6EhRHS3 ... /giphy.gif

Rear wing vortex pair in wake highlighted by blown Ferrari engine in Felipe Nasr’s Sauber C35, source: https://media.giphy.com/media/3o6EhRHS3 ... /giphy.gif

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-TZ9lFtV9W88/U ... rtices.png

Forty seconds in here to see the floor vortex:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kosEVglKJvc
On desktop it looked like the wingtip vortices you shown on the McLaren, or the old Y250 vortices on humid day. I am not talking about the spray there. Inside the spray you'll see the helical pattern from what looks like condensing air (rather than tire spray).