Ferrari F1-75

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MtthsMlw
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Different floor on the car today
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via AMuS

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Could the floor change be about addressing the porpoising? there was a rumour the Alpine did a floor cutout for this reason. OR maybe an Aero person can comment on the potential performance gain Aero wise on that detail?
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MtthsMlw wrote:
25 Feb 2022, 12:03
Different floor on the car today
https://imgr1.auto-motor-und-sport.de/C ... 876607.jpg
via AMuS
There's lots of talk about teams trying to get the edge of the floor to flex down, this is probably to do with that

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wowgr8 wrote:
25 Feb 2022, 12:10
MtthsMlw wrote:
25 Feb 2022, 12:03
Different floor on the car today
https://imgr1.auto-motor-und-sport.de/C ... 876607.jpg
via AMuS
There's lots of talk about teams trying to get the edge of the floor to flex down, this is probably to do with that
Are they using those squares to check the floor for flex?
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Peter Ian Staker wrote:
25 Feb 2022, 12:22
wowgr8 wrote:
25 Feb 2022, 12:10
MtthsMlw wrote:
25 Feb 2022, 12:03
Different floor on the car today
https://imgr1.auto-motor-und-sport.de/C ... 876607.jpg
via AMuS
There's lots of talk about teams trying to get the edge of the floor to flex down, this is probably to do with that
Are they using those squares to check the floor for flex?
https://i.imgur.com/RbaV86v.jpg
Yes. You want precise control over the amount of flex there. I've seen on the Haas they already put a supporting bar there.

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Hey folks.
I kept watching the porpoising video released yesterday, and I wanted to see how it looks in real time, not slow-mo.
Here is a video, looks terrifying.

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Peter Ian Staker wrote:
25 Feb 2022, 12:22
wowgr8 wrote:
25 Feb 2022, 12:10
MtthsMlw wrote:
25 Feb 2022, 12:03
Different floor on the car today
https://imgr1.auto-motor-und-sport.de/C ... 876607.jpg
via AMuS
There's lots of talk about teams trying to get the edge of the floor to flex down, this is probably to do with that
Are they using those squares to check the floor for flex?
https://i.imgur.com/RbaV86v.jpg
Notice the inlet to the diffuser is also gone as well.
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Holm86 wrote:
17 Feb 2022, 15:28
The rear of the sidepods looks like the McLaren MP4-26 sidepods, just with a conventional intake rather than the L shape.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/ ... ia_FP3.jpg
In reality McLaren copied Rory Byrne with these sidepods. Rory did this on the B195 and F399 more than a decade before. Interesting is that Rory Byrne was advising Ferraris Design Departement for this car.

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Andi76 wrote:
25 Feb 2022, 13:49
Holm86 wrote:
17 Feb 2022, 15:28
The rear of the sidepods looks like the McLaren MP4-26 sidepods, just with a conventional intake rather than the L shape.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/ ... ia_FP3.jpg
In reality McLaren copied Rory Byrne with these sidepods. Rory did this on the B195 and F399 more than a decade before. Interesting is that Rory Byrne was advising Ferraris Design Departement for this car.
I wish Rory wasn't as old as he is. Rory vs Newey would be a sight to see.
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SiLo wrote:
25 Feb 2022, 13:08
Peter Ian Staker wrote:
25 Feb 2022, 12:22
wowgr8 wrote:
25 Feb 2022, 12:10


There's lots of talk about teams trying to get the edge of the floor to flex down, this is probably to do with that
Are they using those squares to check the floor for flex?
https://i.imgur.com/RbaV86v.jpg
Notice the inlet to the diffuser is also gone as well.

Seems to be there but hidden behind the tyre blanket

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ryaan2904 wrote:
25 Feb 2022, 13:56
Andi76 wrote:
25 Feb 2022, 13:49
Holm86 wrote:
17 Feb 2022, 15:28
The rear of the sidepods looks like the McLaren MP4-26 sidepods, just with a conventional intake rather than the L shape.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/ ... ia_FP3.jpg
In reality McLaren copied Rory Byrne with these sidepods. Rory did this on the B195 and F399 more than a decade before. Interesting is that Rory Byrne was advising Ferraris Design Departement for this car.
I wish Rory wasn't as old as he is. Rory vs Newey would be a sight to see.
Absolutely. But even if Rory did not design the car and actually worked mainly from Phuket, i think there is a lot of his signature on this car. Sidepods, the small undercut similar to the one he introduced on the F2003 GA, the airbox, sidepods...seems like he had an reasonable of input. But of course its not the same if he would have been in charge of the design. But at least, for the first time since the F2007, and even if is was as an adviser only, Rory was involved in the design of a new car, instead of just making an existing design faster. And it makes a lot of sense to listen to Rory, i think. He is probably the one and only technician left with a reasonable amount of experience with a "ground-effect"-cars, as he was Tolemans designer in the first, early 80's F1 ground effect-car era.

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Fingers crossed. I’m not sure about Honda this year but Mercedes will undoubtedly be excellent at usual.

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Andi76 wrote:
25 Feb 2022, 14:21
ryaan2904 wrote:
25 Feb 2022, 13:56
Andi76 wrote:
25 Feb 2022, 13:49


In reality McLaren copied Rory Byrne with these sidepods. Rory did this on the B195 and F399 more than a decade before. Interesting is that Rory Byrne was advising Ferraris Design Departement for this car.
I wish Rory wasn't as old as he is. Rory vs Newey would be a sight to see.
Absolutely. But even if Rory did not design the car and actually worked mainly from Phuket, i think there is a lot of his signature on this car. Sidepods, the small undercut similar to the one he introduced on the F2003 GA, the airbox, sidepods...seems like he had an reasonable of input. But of course its not the same if he would have been in charge of the design. But at least, for the first time since the F2007, and even if is was as an adviser only, Rory was involved in the design of a new car, instead of just making an existing design faster. And it makes a lot of sense to listen to Rory, i think. He is probably the one and only technician left with a reasonable amount of experience with a "ground-effect"-cars, as he was Tolemans designer in the first, early 80's F1 ground effect-car era.
David Sanchez was the aerodynamicist of the mcl mp4-26, in ferrari he re-proposed the same concept

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And they call it a stall. A STALL!

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